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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 21, 2020

End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

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End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

Please note that we’ve created a new thread with some clarifications to questions that have come up several times in this thread. Please see here to continue the discussion if you still have any questions. The information contained in this thread is outdated and may no longer be accurate.

 

We have some important news regarding our oldest Sonos devices shared on the Sonos Blog today. The text of that blog post is being included here for your convenience:

 

Starting in May 2020, some of our oldest products will no longer receive software updates or new features. We want to explain why and your options. 

When we first set out almost 20 years ago to invent the technology to easily listen to any song in any room, most of the ways we listen to music today did not exist. In fact, the first Sonos products were introduced before the first iPhone was announced and when Myspace still ruled social media. 

 

In order to invent multi-room music and smart speakers, we combined the worlds of high-fidelity audio and computing. Every Sonos product has a microprocessor, flash memory, and other hardware components typically found in computers and smartphones.  

 

Since launching our first products, technology has advanced at an exponential rate; from streaming services and voice assistants to wireless networking and Bluetooth capabilities.  Through all of this transformation, we have continued delivering new features via software updates. We’re extremely proud of the fact that we build products that last a long time, and that listeners continue to enjoy them. In fact, 92% of the products we’ve ever shipped are still in use today. That is unheard of in the world of consumer electronics. However, we’ve now come to a point where some of the oldest products have been stretched to their technical limits in terms of memory and processing power.  

This coming May, these legacy products—our original Zone Players, Connect, and Connect:Amp (launched in 2006; includes versions sold until 2015), first-generation Play:5 (launched 2009), CR200 (launched 2009), and Bridge (launched 2007)—will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

 Today the Sonos experience relies on an interconnected ecosystem, giving you access to more than 100 streaming services, voice assistants, and control options like Apple AirPlay 2. Without new software updates, access to services and overall functionality of your sound system will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their technology. 

To help you through this transition, we’re providing two options:

Option 1: Continue using these legacy products, recognizing that your system will no longer receive software updates and new features.  

Option 2: Trade up to a new Sonos product with a 30% credit for each legacy product you replace.

If you’re not sure if your products are affected, you can check in the System tab in your sonos.com-account

If you choose to participate in the trade up program, your legacy products will be put in Recycle Mode, a state that deletes personally identifiable information and prepares these products for e-recycling. Recycle Mode also protects unsuspecting people from buying legacy products that are approaching the end of their useful life and won’t provide the Sonos experience customers expect today. Recycle Mode will only apply to the legacy products listed above.

 

We ask that you take your legacy products to a nearby certified e-recycling facility. This is the most environmentally friendly way to recycle. That said, if there isn’t a facility in your area, we are happy to pay for you to ship your products back to Sonos for responsible recycling.    

 

Ideally all our products would last forever, but for now we’re limited by the existing technology. Our responsibility here is threefold: build products that last a long time; continually look for ways to make our products more environmentally friendly through materials, packaging, and our supply chain and take responsibility for helping you through the transition once products near the end of their useful life.  

 

We’ve always believed in freedom of choice, whether that means choosing a certain streaming service or way to control your listening experience. We hope the choices provided here—continuing to use these products without new software updates or trading up to our modern products—enable you to make the choice that’s right for you. 

 

We are honored to have a place in your home and want to make sure that we help continue to bring the best experience we can, even when products reach the end of their useful life. 

 

More information.

 

Please let us know if you have any questions.

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    melvimbe
    January 21, 2020

    This is too technical for me, so will all my Sonos stuff stop working having spent £000’s on it ? Got it all about 8/9 years ago. play 1’s, play 5’s ? Will this lot be gathering dust soon as dead items?

     

     

    To add clarification, if you have devices in your system that are marked as legacy, then your system will not get an update after May.  Nothing is going to suddenly stop working in May, unless you actually take it out of your system, do the trade up program, intentionally.

     

    Since your devices won’t get updates anymore, there won’t be new features, and some features that interact with other companies services, like streaming and voice, may eventually stop working since the nature of those services are not going to freeze.  This is the same as if you had a phone or tablet that is on an OS version that Apple/Andorid no longer supports and can no longer be updated.   

     

    If so I’ll be pretty cheesed off. And no I don’t want to upgrade with 30% discount, I can’t afford it and spend more money to be on same situation in a few years time? 

     

    To be clear, the trade up program does required that you use the 30% discount to buy the same product type (example Port for a Connect),   You also don’t need to make this decision in May, as I understand it.  You could continue on with your system the way it is until the point where a service your using no longer functions properly or you wish to add a new device...which could be a year or more from now.  At that point, you can look at removing your legacy devices and utilizing the discount if you wish.

     

    As far as this situation occurring a few years from now.  It’s important to realize that this is the first instance of this happening, so it’s a bit hard to gauge when the scenario will repeat again.  I don’t know how much capacity the play:1 for example has for upgraded features, or what features would be a problem  for the play:1 going forward.    Also worth considering that the timing is based on when a product was manufactured (or the date it was first release, more accurately) , not when it was sold.  So a Sonos One bought 2 years ago is ‘safer’ than a playbar bought last summer due to it’s released date.

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    Virtuoso
    January 21, 2020

    Sonos simply had to take this action.  Developing the system and taking some of the earlier products along for the ride is simply not feasible, so limited is their memory and processing power.

    They have to do something, but it’s entirely possible to develop distributed system software that simultaneously accommodates older and newer versions. In fact, it’s common development practice, with well-known approaches like versioned APIs and protocols.

    There is no technical reason why a single Sonos system could not comprise older and newer software versions running alongside each other, with limitations. For example, it might not be possible to group older and newer versions.

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    4 x P:5 | Sub | 4 x P:1 | 3 x Connect | 2 x Boost | Connect:Amp | 2 x One | Amp | Move | Port | Era 300
    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    This is a horrendous decision.  Horrible.  I own more Sonos components than I can count and started to amass them around 2007.  I currently own three One’s, two Fives, 1 Amp, 2 Connects, PlayBar, and the Subwoofer.  Not to mention Sonos Ones I have handed out for Xmas over the years.   FIVE of my components (Fives X2, Amp, Connect X 2) are now going to be rendered extinct.

    You market yourself as “high-end”.  Your own marketing initially emphasized how “you can build your system over time”.  Which I did.  SHAME ON YOU!    One of the main reasons for buying HIFI equipment is not only sound, but longevity.  I have speakers and amps that are over 20 years old.

    Your promise of a system that a person can build on was the reason I spent THOUSANDS of dollars over the years.  I will never make that mistake again.  This is bait and switch at its most evil.  Shame on you Sonos!

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    Enthusiast II
    January 21, 2020

     

    Hi Ryan

    Why are re-sellers still selling the Connect: and Connect:Amp?  These will become obsolete in less than 6 months.  To be continuing to sell these after the announcement you have just made, is (in my opinion) close to fraudulent activity, and certainly would not pass the “fit for purpose” test.

    Thanks

    On the same vein as above, the devices currently for sale, while older products which have newer replacements currently available, are not included in the legacy products list.

     

    For how long eh?

    As a massive fan of Sonos, this decision is quite frankly shameful, and as I can see on reddit, and twitter, everyone seems to agree. Do yourself a favour and go back to a whiteboard with your tail between your legs and think of a better solution to the problem - otherwise watch Sonos die.

     

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    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    Ryan, I won’t mince words. This sucks. Sonos is already a little buggy and I know this change is going to cause grief for us in more ways than one. It ain’t gonna’ be a simple transition. Things are going to get messed up. It’s bad enough that you’re screwing the people who got in early and made a commitment to your brand and company -- the people who helped you establish a successful company -- but your offer of a 30% discount on new equipment is disrespectful. No one told me my investment was “limited” to a certain amount of time when I bought all my equipment. Had I known I might have thought twice about spending this kind of money. I suggest Sonos offer a more substantial discount on new equipment to show their respect to your most loyal customers. Why would I ever reinvest in Sonos knowing now that you will eventually discontinue my products? When I bought the system there were very few choices. Now there are endless choices. Sonos, are we breaking up?

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    Enthusiast II
    January 21, 2020

    Ditto.  You BASTARDS.  I’ve been with Sonos for 20 years now.  I’ve purchased just about every product you’ve ever made from the beginning.  Over $10,000 worth of your equipment and I’ve sold even more for you with recommendations.  I’ve already thrown away the Controller 100, two Controller 200’s and 3 Bridges.  Now you want me to “Upgrade” and give you more money.  I’m finished.  Bluesound here I come.  It’s better anyway.  It has High Resolution.

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    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    So, when can I expect the other components in my system to be EOL’d?

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    Enthusiast II
    January 21, 2020

    So 6 zones for me at a full replacement cost of £3,294! But I can stay the same for £2,305, gee wow thanks. And the rest of the year looking over my shoulder at the death of Gen1 Play 1s (5 of them), when will they come for the Playbar and Sub?

     

    It just doesn’t make sense to have killed the CR100, Boost & other bits first. Then kill the Gen 1 stuff. Why couldn’t they have been made legacy nicely. Whoever is driving this has little idea about customer sentiment.

    Instead they want to force customers to loose the CR100 whilst openly stating there are no plans to kill the zone players and the memory was totally different and they were just fine. Oh hang on, what we meant was kill them off next year.

    I am surprised they haven’t said they might catch fire, but not catch fire, like the CR100.

    What a load of crap, what went wrong guys?

     

    For reference I am already a refugee walled in behind my firewall with three working CR100s, and Sonophone for apps. Amazon Prime and Spotify are still working.

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    Owner since 2006: Legacy System(8.4):3*CR100:1*ZP80:4*ZP100:1*Play 5. - S1 System:1*ZP100:1*Z120. - S2 System:5*Amp:1*Port:2*Five:1*Arc,1*Move:1*Play Bar:1*Subwoofer:5*Play1 : Long live the CR100!
    Contributor I
    January 21, 2020

    This is the fastest I’ve ever gone from “love” to “hate” with a company.

    Sonos will never see another dollar from me.

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    Lyricist II
    January 21, 2020

    With today’s unwelcome and short notice (May 2020) of forced obsolesence of my entire Sonos infrastructure (except my Sub); is Sonos indicating how long the “Modern” products will be supported? When will these be demoted to “Legacy” and lose their value too?

    The “Legacy” designation (as I understand it) effectively means I can never expand my (Legacy) system with newer products - I can only scrap and replace it with new (and the “trade up” program while welcome is a small offset to the replacement cost).

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