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jgatie
  • 27737 replies
  • January 21, 2020
Maxamus wrote:

All of my legacy products have bricked as of today,non will connect and all all “offline” on the same day you announce that you will no longer support legacy products. Is this a coincidence?

 

 

Yes.  It doesn’t take place until May 2020.


baardog
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  • Avid Contributor III
  • 31 replies
  • January 21, 2020

My product has not reached the end of it’s useful life.

Do you even care about the environment? This stinks...


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 50 replies
  • January 21, 2020
areyoukiddingme wrote:
texasraider wrote:

I’m trying to remember a bigger “fuck you” delivered by a company to it’s best customers

This.

 

 “Dear fervent early Tesla adopters with a Roadster or older Model S: due to our increasingly complex software updates and the limits of our older hardware, we will no longer be supporting the OS on your legacy vehicles. We can’t be bothered to support multiple OSes. Your legacy vehicle should, maybe, work for a while. If you want, we’ll crush your Roadster and give you 30% off on a new model 3. Also if you park your model 3, Y, X or newer S near your legacy vehicle, it will not be able to receive updates either.”

Classic!  Spot on.


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  • Enthusiast I
  • 23 replies
  • January 21, 2020

In some respects I do not care, on the whole I’ve found the updates to the apps irritating.  I have no use for streaming services such as Spotify, but I will be annoyed if in the future the radio apps break.

I have a Connect - not a Connect:Amp, and from what I can see the upgrade product is to the new Amp - not the Port.  So even with the discount an Amp is still more than a Port.

poor show Sonos.  Very poor show.


Ryan S
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  • Retired Sonos Staff
  • 12372 replies
  • January 21, 2020
aquapowers wrote:

...How is possible the Play:5 (released Nov 2009) is impacted by these potential “changes” and does not have enough memory or processing power to sustain future innovation, but the Play:3 (released July 2011) and the Play:1 (released Oct 2013) are not impacted?

@aquapowers , the Play:5 gen1 was built with less memory than the Play:3 and Play:1 that were released in subsequent years. The old Play:5 just doesn’t have updated components needed to support new features and services in the future.

 

 


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This effects ALL my Sonos gear, including the CR200 !!

I would be slightly considering upgrading at least my main component, the Connect, but since I need an optical connection that is not available on the successor, this is also a no-go.…

For me this is definitely the end of my relationship with Sonos. I will keep the stuff alive till they die or are not longer supported by Deezer or Calm Radio and then replace them with Bluesound probably.

 

Bye Sonos

 

 


  • Lyricist III
  • 7 replies
  • January 21, 2020

Seriously reconsidering my investment in Sonos in two houses. Not a satisfied customer at all. Agree with above post that I will start warning people away from Sonos until something is done to rectify this situation.  Researching other options starting right now. 


jgatie
  • 27737 replies
  • January 21, 2020
brymills wrote:

In some respects I do not care, on the whole I’ve found the updates to the apps irritating.  I have no use for streaming services such as Spotify, but I will be annoyed if in the future the radio apps break.

I have a Connect - not a Connect:Amp, and from what I can see the upgrade product is to the new Amp - not the Port.  So even with the discount an Amp is still more than a Port.

poor show Sonos.  Very poor show.

 

No, the upgrade for the Connect is the Port.  


  • Contributor I
  • 2 replies
  • January 21, 2020
jgatie wrote:
Maxamus wrote:

All of my legacy products have bricked as of today,non will connect and all all “offline” on the same day you announce that you will no longer support legacy products. Is this a coincidence?

 

 

Yes.  It doesn’t take place until May 2020.

Yes it doesn't, yet ALL of my legacy products are currently offline and no longer responding. My products that don’t show as a “trade up” are all working, but not the legacy products. Weird timing, very weird. this is the biggest PR DISASTER I have experienced to date with any company.Ever. 


  • Lyricist II
  • 4 replies
  • January 21, 2020

I think the comparison to mobile phones is not relevant. You can still use old Iphones or Android phones to undertake their primary purpose of making calls and they still work with the network provider. Some Apps won’t work and you don’t get to use the latest OS but they co-exist with new phones.

In this case you either hold back the entire system and potentially lose access to the primary purpose of the system (ability to play music) or you throw away a perfectly good product that has years of life left in it.


  • Lyricist I
  • 1 reply
  • January 21, 2020

I have a complete Sonos system and cannot believe that Sonos has made a decision to abandon  their early customers who supported their business in its early stage.  Most high end audio manufacturers offer a paid upgrade path for their equipment to insure it remains fully functional for years.  I guess Sonos would rather offer a 30% discount on an already overpriced product to generate even more revenue.  Perhaps a class action lawsuit should review if a successful company can abandon its customers with such an early exit on product support.   I could understand if their products were 20 years old or the company had poor financial performance.  Most owners don’t expect their older products to have the latest features such as DSD or the latest and greatest wireless connectivity but to abandon us is terrible. I guess our only option is to fill social media with the sad story of abandonment and resolve to never buy another Sonos product. 


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 51 replies
  • January 21, 2020

This sucks! After investing thousands in SONOS I am screwed. Any system with a mix of OLD and NEW products will not be updated, period. Am I forced to trade in my perfectly fine, hard working Play 5’s at a high cost (the trade up deal is a joke, 30% off) another $1000 + a new phone because the app is not supported. I will not be giving SONOS any more money, spending $3000 on audio equipment should last a lifetime. I suppose the rest of my SONOS device are not far behind, SUB, Play 1’s. When that happens it will all go in the trash and I will be FORCED to move to something else. I used to be a huge SONOS fan, but more and more I am becoming disillusioned. I am sick and tired of having to shell out money for upgrades to technology that works just fine, because the manufactures just hang us out to dry. I was gong to buy Sonos Move, but, not now as who knows how long before it becomes another doorstop to add to my collection. 

Was nice while it lasted.

 


  • Lyricist I
  • 1 reply
  • January 21, 2020

To reiterate what others have said…  Sonos needs to think again.  You are basically saying if I want my product to continue working I need to replace it with only a 30% discount.  So with the 30% discount a PLAY 5 is going to cost about £300.  In return, I get no new features I want.  Oh, and if I don’t you will keep the rest of my devices hostage and they will also not get the updates so I can expect streaming services to stop working at some point.

 

Sonos is a ‘premium’ brand.  This isn’t the behaviour associated with premium products.  In one announcement I’ve gone from an evangelist and happy customer to never going to buy a Sonos product again.  Time for Sonos to think again.

 


  • Lyricist I
  • 1 reply
  • January 21, 2020
melvimbe wrote:
Kumar wrote:

I foresee that this will be a thread of record length!

 

Only offering a 30% discount makes the upgrade undoable for me as it’ll cost way over $1K (2 5s and a Connect:AMP) after already spending $$ to upgrade to Boost, and I just bought what I have a little over two years ago.   I get the technology change argument, but this seems very harsh, almost unethical to a degree unless SONOS is claiming that their breakeven is 70% of list which I’d find hard to believe.  Buyer beware! I used to be one of their biggest fans until this announcement!  Ughhh….

Maybe.  Hard to tell.  This is a little different than other announcements since nothing is being bricked involuntarily.  You can continue to use what you have till it dies or doesn’t work with your streaming services anymore.    You just can’t expand your system.  This fits what a lot of people wanted when the CR100 incident happened.    

I think people who just about a legacy Sonos product used, or about to sell, are going to be upset.  That value just hit rock bottom.  It might be a while before we start hearing those complaints.  There will be those asking for a full refund, not just 30% tradeup. 

And if a device has been factory reset after May, and thus not registered to any one, I don’t see how it can be claimed for 30% tradeup by anyone.  This won’t make the reuse/recycle bunch happy at all.  Maybe Sonos can prevent factory resets for these after May?  Or maybe I don’t understand tradeup and factory reset properly?

There may also be some difficulty in telling the difference between a legacy connect or connect:amp and a still supported, 2015+ connect or connect:amp.  That will bring some complaints.

Probably not thinking of some aspects.  Still very early.

 

I’m not quite sure how I feel.  I understand and respect dropping updates for products that are over 5 years old.  At the same time, I would like to keep using the non-updated products without lcoking down my system.  Seems like I should be able to take advantage of new products and features without losing the old.  However, I did get a lot of features added to my legacy products that were not even on the horizon when I originally bought my speakers, which I certainly took advantage of.

 


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 87 replies
  • January 21, 2020

Sonos, I am utterly disappointed in a company that I have championed over the last 5 years with my friends and family.  Over this time I have build up a collection of 18 speakers.  It would appear that I am ‘lucky’ to only have two Play 5: Gen1s to replace…. but how long before you give me 3 months notice on my 13 Play 1s?

In order to appease me you would have to at least double the 30% trade back rebate. But even then I don’t like the way you have gone about this at all and I am off now to start researching alternatives.

It is disgusting the way you are treating people and quite frankly it could mean the end of your business.

Please let me know where your Sales & Marketing director got educated, I will make a note not to send my two boys the same way!

P.S.  @RyanS this is in no way directed at you and I am sorry that your employer has made you the messenger for this.  Not good of them.

 

 


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  • Headliner I
  • 342 replies
  • January 21, 2020

Expensive day! …. 5 boxes gone out of a stable of 14!!! ….guess I’ll just have to turn the ones in the other rooms up to 11! :-)

I sort of get the need for movement and progression but a bit of a brutal tsunami of tech death all at once me thinks ….

 

 


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 102 replies
  • January 21, 2020

I will ask again. 

 

If you have legacy products in your system, then buy a new product after May, with a later firmware, will you be able to even add it? 

 


  • Lyricist II
  • 4 replies
  • January 21, 2020
gizze wrote:

I will ask again. 

 

If you have legacy products in your system, then buy a new product after May, with a later firmware, will you be able to even add it? 

 


Good Question!


  • Lyricist I
  • 1 reply
  • January 21, 2020

Are you freaking kidding me? After buying your expensive speakers, that’s all I get out of them? What a joke. You earned another unsatisfied customer here - will never buy Sonos again, or recommend Sonos to anyone (quite the opposite). Wow. What a way to dump your best early adopter customers. When is the bankruptcy announcement coming?


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  • Enthusiast I
  • 23 replies
  • January 21, 2020
jgatie wrote:
brymills wrote:

In some respects I do not care, on the whole I’ve found the updates to the apps irritating.  I have no use for streaming services such as Spotify, but I will be annoyed if in the future the radio apps break.

I have a Connect - not a Connect:Amp, and from what I can see the upgrade product is to the new Amp - not the Port.  So even with the discount an Amp is still more than a Port.

poor show Sonos.  Very poor show.

 

No, the upgrade for the Connect is the Port.  

Ok, so it’s just a rubbish website layout.


  • Lyricist I
  • 1 reply
  • January 21, 2020

“ over time functionality of features and services will be impacted “

This better not make the equipment I have purchased unusable whether it be in 6 months or 10 years.  I also paid for the hardware! Hey Sonos, DO NOT take the money and run!

GRRRRR


  • Lyricist III
  • 5 replies
  • January 21, 2020
gizze wrote:

I will ask again. 

 

If you have legacy products in your system, then buy a new product after May, with a later firmware, will you be able to even add it? 

 

Luckily for you, Sonos has incentivized you to never buy another product from them, so you won’t have to find out 


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The *absolute* bare minimum you should be considering is for EOL’d speakers to lose their ability to be the master unit of a group of speakers.
 

They should still be able to function when grouped with more recent units, since every speaker you’ve ever sold has the ability to do this and there’s no reason why the processing required to do play a synchronised sound stream will ever increase. 


jgatie wrote:
brymills wrote:

In some respects I do not care, on the whole I’ve found the updates to the apps irritating.  I have no use for streaming services such as Spotify, but I will be annoyed if in the future the radio apps break.

I have a Connect - not a Connect:Amp, and from what I can see the upgrade product is to the new Amp - not the Port.  So even with the discount an Amp is still more than a Port.

poor show Sonos.  Very poor show.

 

No, the upgrade for the Connect is the Port.  

I think the Port from a Connect is a downgrade. What genius designer removed the optical out to save a £ or $. Ridiculous, upgrade to this…….oh it doesn’t plug in. Clowns.


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Snikom wrote:

6 legacy products and only 2 “modern” products (I was an early adopter and have built my system over many years)

A replacement bill of over about £2000 after the discount.  

I just dont have the funds to do that to keep software updates.  

Very disappointed and I can’t help but suspect that functionality of legacy systems will be reduced from it current state which does everything I need.

Similar situation with my system. The components that are considered “legacy” meet all my listening requirements at the moment with great usability and sound quality. I see no need to follow the upgrade path from my perspective. However when this eventually becomes necessary I do not expect to replace like-for-like. My Sonos system will probably shrink with just a few components replaced or I will move to an alternative provider. I imaging Sonos’ competitors are busy creating strategies on how they will win over former Sonos customers. Gonna be an interesting time...


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