General feedback and conversation

I’m sure some Sonos superfans are going to come by this thread and tell me to buy a new tablet, but my Nexus 7 (2013) running Android 6.0.1 is the best tablet I’ve ever owned and still works with all streaming services, from Netflix and Sling to little old RugbyPass and WatchNRL. Hell, even Comcast’s Stream app works on Android 6. That’s COMCAST, the company so hated by their customers their name became an insult to other companies (e.g., “you’re literally Comcast!”) and had to rebrand as Xfinity. So I’m really hoping you beautiful developers can see the light and one day (soon?) allow me to use my beloved Nexus 7 as a Sonos controller again. I have five Sonos Ones, an Amp, a Beam, and a Move. The Move, by the way, is among my favorite possessions, right up there with the Nexus 7. May they all live a long and useful life!

When you have traded up your Leacy product, and the credit is on your account. If you then sell the device and the new owner adds it on their system/account , dues the credit stay on your account or transfer to them? 

Several months ago I retired my original Sonos piece, a Connect, and replaced it with the new model. At this time Sonos was bricking old pieces when you replaced them. But as we all know, this caused a major blow-back from customers and supporters and they walked back that decision, announcing that the older devices would not be supported when Sonos 2.0 arrived. The old devices wolud continue to function without upgrades or support. So I decided to haul out my old Connect and put it back to work in my shop. When I went through the setup the device told me it had been retired and couldn’t be added to my system. So, I’m confused. If the device has been retired can it be un-retired? Thanks for your input.

Looking online, instructions suggests you open your sonos app while on their wifi system. Then just sign into your own account. Its doesn't seem to work. any one got any ideas for a novice at this 

I had to return a recently purchased play five because of connectivity issues. It’s taken a few weeks from the time I shipped it to the time I received a refund in the form of a gift card. Now I have a gift card for $500 and there’s absolutely nowhere, anywhere to enter that gift card number at the time of purchase. What is going on with this company? I’ve attempted to call customer service multiple times and I’m put on hold for a half an hour and then hung up on. How does any company do business this way?   Moderator Note: Post Title and Content Edited for Language

I’m trying to get in contact with support to raise an issue with Spotify playbakc, but the Support website says you can only use Twitter or Phone. What happened to the option of sending an email or filling out a form? I don’t use Twitter and the Phone is inconvenient. How is the community option supposed to work when it needs support to interpret the diagnostic I have uploaded?

I’m looking to purchase a Sonos Port to replace my old Connect. I’d read that because of the heat of bricking old components Sonos had allowed people to upgrade with the 30% discount and keep the old equipment.   Have a use for the old Connect in an other room, so hoping not to create more E-Waste, even if it will lose support in May.   The website still seems to state it will be useless after the 21 days?   David

I HAD A PLAY 5 AND PLAY 1 BOTH GO BAD AT THE SAME TIME.  ON MY CALL (MAYBE THE 6TH) SONOS AREED TO A REPLACE AND RETURN, WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN MY AREA….   THIS IS IMPORTANT----OF COURSE THEY CHARGED ME FOR SPEAKERS AND SAID THEY WOULD REFUND WHEN I SENT THE OLD ONES BACK (NOT VERY OLD) NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY REFUNDED MY BANK OVER 3 WEEKS AGO AND MY BANK SAYS NO THEY DID NOT….SO I AM OUT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AND NOT SURE WHERE TO TURN  HOW DO YOU REACH SOMEONE WHO WILL HELP….I HAVE MY RMA NUMBER AND MY RECEIPT OF WHEN THEY DID RECEIVE EQUIPMENT…. SINCE I HAVE HAD SONOS I HAVE HAD PROBLEMS, BUT LOVE IT WHEN IT WORKS AND OUT OF MY 20 PLUS CALLS, ONLY HAD ONE THAT WAS HANDLED WITH WHAT I WOULD CALL EXCEEDS EXPECTATIONS

Ok.  So I love my Sonos equipment.  I have a Playbar, 2 One SLs, a Sub and a Play 5.  I have the Sonos App on my phone and on my mac.  Yet NOWHERE in Sonos do they have a marker or gauge for volume level?  Why is this?  There is only a vague slider.   The importance of having hash marks or even numbers on volume really helps to know where you have preferred volumes in rooms.  Perhaps I like my play 5 generally at level 6, but on more quiet nights I prefer level 2.  Or maybe I like my playbar usually at level 3.  Why is there no marker at all for volume level?    Even better would be if you could have presets.  You can simply select all rooms to jump to their preset volumes.  These sometimes change when you are playing movies vs music.  Or when you need not upset neighbors.  It would be great to have markers.    Does this function exist?  It seems so basic.  Even stereos from the 70s had some marker to denote volume that was more recognizable, other than a general slider.   Thanks.

I am a very long time SONOS customer with four distinct systems in four locations with over 30 devices.  Almost all of these devices with become legacy in a month.  Any new purchased SONOS products will cause incompatibility issues.   SONOS I know you are looking to the future but I hate to see you lose me as a customer because now any other player out there puts me in the same position you are.  Two apps, two environments!   How about this for a solution to keep me and a ton of other SONOS users happy.  Build a “New SONOS Bridge;  A device that sits in the middle of a “SHARED” system and performs two simple tasks: Be a device that can be grouped from both the OLD and NEW environments Passes music between the two systems If this would require this BRIDGE device to be wired to the network that is okay with me or that this device runs like the MOVE off the WiFi that would be fine with men.   Technically this seems like it should be pretty easy to do.   I would be willing to pay a reasona

Does a Sonos stereo pair have the ability to change the balance of left and right volume?  Oftentimes you want a pair of stereo speakers to be stereo BUT NOT play the exact same volume.  Likely because one speaker is further away from center.  This used to be fixed on old stereos by having a balance slider. So you could make the left speaker louder than right, or vice versa. Does a Sonos stereo pair add balance sliders to the pair you make?  Or are they all the same volume output?   Thanks. 

I ordered yesterday a Sonos One. SL but because of a mistake on the shipping option (selected 1 day and not 2day free) I cancelled immediately and made a new order with the correct shipping option. So the first wrong order was on hold and I was waiting for the confirmation and the refund. Today I received a response from a Sonos representative and he offered me shipping costs refund. I replied and told him that I want it cancelled because I have already ordered and paid for an other one. But after 5 hours with no response both speakers were shipped. What is the standard procedure now? I don't want to mess with the return procedure because I have very bad experience with one (it took 45 days and thousands of emails to get my refund and when I finally took it I had to pay bank expenses) I will appreciate any help. Apostolos    

I just bought the Sonos Move from El Corte Ingles in Lisbon were no information was provided about the limitations of Sonos in Portugal, namely that Google Assistant and Alexa were not available. Bad consumer information, also from Sonos, since those limitations were not stated in the box or even in the website that promotes the product. Not sure why Sonos is discriminating Portugal and portuguese consumers, but for me that’s enough. I’m returning Sonos Move and ask my money back. 

Hello,   I received an email saying that my order has been cancelled.   The order number is now invalid and I have no order in my account.   The money is already out from my bank account and I can’t call the phone number provided in the email.   There is any email to contact the support about order.   Thanks

Still seething over the SONOS SUIT ARROGANCE, I decided to take pen to hand and write STAMPED letters to the SONORS MOVERS AND SHAKERS - AKA EMPTY SUITS!  I sent a cover letter along with copies of my livid posts on the SONOS handling of  their LEGACY products.  I wrote a total 18 - yes eighteen as in a dozen and a half - letters to the ENTIRE CHAIN OF COMMAND - every inane fancy title you could imagine. THE RESULT - ZERO ZED NADA 0000000000 Not ONE suit responded - but here is the best part - I was contacted to MAKE AN APPOINTMENT to talk to one of the customer service reps as in the suits said “Give this whiny slob a call - get him off our back”. So the call is this Monday - but wait there is more - the rep wrote in their outreach about my “equipment” problems - SORRY BUDDY … THE EQUIPMENT WORKS FINE … GET IT STRAIGHT OR YOU CAN’T BE A SONOS SYCOPHANT. Stay tuned … but I have already joined the LEGIONS who said “to the barricades” and “done with sonos”.  It matters not to me at all -

Be aware that if you are planning to purchase the Sonance Outdoor speakers (great speaker btw) and plan on using the Omnimount 15.0C (rated as able to hold speakers up to 15 lbs) as is suggested in the speaker documentation, it will not work. The mounting plate is too large for the recessed area on the back of the speaker, and the threaded bracket tip is too large to be screwed directly into the threaded holes on the back of the speaker. The Omnimount 10.0C (rated as able to hold speakers up to 10 lbs) will also not work. The mounting plate here is too small and the holes do not line up with the holes on the back of the speaker and while the threaded bracket tip will screw directly into the threaded holes on the back of the speaker, the bracket arm itself is way too short to use with these speakers.

I have spent over $1500 for my Sonos system which is less than 3 years old and now I’m told that my Sonos Bridge and Play: 5 speaker needs to be replaced before May or they will lose their functionality. All that Sonos is offering is a 30% discount on a new speaker, but I paid over $600 for these two products. I think this is poor marketing and strategic planning on Sonos part. If I had known your products functionality would cease after 3 years, I would never have purchased your product. Am I expected to upgrade various products of my system every 3 years? Your products are not inexpensive, so the average user must save in order to purchase your product. You are about to lose a valuable customer.

Your shareholders should be lining up to challenge the board to fire your CEO & executives.  You just took a company with a stellar reputation and turned it on it’s head.  Your “End of Life” decision likely just went far beyond components --- all the way to your reputation and, potentially, your company.  

As a Sonos customer with several products (playbar, sub, 3 x play 3’s, two plays 1’s, two boost, Sonos one) what on earth is the justification for not including New Zealand in the trade up program? It’s only by luck I don’t own any play 5’s and lets be honest play 3’s won’t be far from joining this list along with the playbar? Am I to be left with bricks and no motivation or financial possibility to continue using your product while the rest of the world saves a third for each product they replace?! I’m outraged and will have to consider preemptively selling off all my Sonos products before they become worthless and encourage the poor souls I recommended your products to to do the same. Very disappointed 

I’m worried about the software upgrades rendering my current equipment obsolete. I don’t have the money to upgrade with the 30% offer. If my equipment becomes obsolete through feature/software upgrades that I do not want, then I will be dumping Sonos after years of being a fan.Sonos used to set the standard in support and listening to their customers but I sense they have lost their way !Is it just me ?

I just got a TCL R625 which I am using with a Sonos Beam (Hooked up via Arc HDMI) and two Sonos Play 1s. The Roku software is updated to 9.2.2 build 6106-88. I can get surround from every TV app (Amazon, Disney, Apple TV, Vudu) except for Netflix which appears to be playing back in stereo? The TV is set to autodetect the audio source but I have tried auto passthrough, dolby digital etc and no change.  What is odd is I have this exact Sonos surround setup on the older TCL R615 and it plays surround in Netflix just fine. Every device is up to date (Sonos even says Dolby 5.1 signal while the Netflix stream is playing). I have noticed the surround going to my xbox seems to work off and on as well which is odd. It also shows Dolby 5.1 in the sonos app while playing. 

Now that Sonos have announced that their products have an end-of-life (EOL), sometimes in as little as 5 years from purchase, can they please clarify their expected EOL projections for all products? Classifying them as “modern” or “legacy” does not help and is far too simplistic. Products can move status overnight without warning. It would be useful to know that a Sonos product bought today for several hundred pounds is expected to be viable for, say, 5yrs. If Sonos wishes to be a software company, they will need to embrace a more mature approach to this issue, and offer an SLA within each product sale to set customer expectations. For example, the Windows 10 support life-cycle has a five-year mainstream support phase that began on July 29, 2015, and a second five-year extended support phase that begins in 2020 and extends until October 2025. Microsoft manages this level of expectation management and costs a fraction of the cost of a home speaker system. 

Unfortunately all that I can say about the recent announcement is that Sonos is treating it’s customers as cash cows. The amount of money that each customer spends on a good product runs, sometimes, into 1000’s and then suddenly turnaround and say that your items are no longer viable is incredulous. The reputational damage that Sonos has created could run into millions as loyal customers decide that the expense is not worth it. Sonos rethink, you’re an intelligent firm, but poor when it comes to customer good will.

SONOS have just deleted my post….and will probably delete this one as I hit send! The brand is going down the toilet within the space of days….customers are furious. Wake up SONOS!!!!

I wasn’t one of the customers who complained about Sonos’ earlier communication this week. However, I initially had the same reaction as many others who wrote in anger or disappointment in this customer community.  I commend Patrick Spence for his quick reaction, for correcting course, and for the tone of his letter to customers today. I completely understand Sonos’ internal drivers to urge their customers to upgrade their systems. However, as Patrick well said, customer experience and their loyalty is paramount and trumps anything else. I plan to remain as a loyal Sonos customer and will continue to expand and upgrade my home sound system when it makes sense to do so.