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  • Lyricist II
  • 3 replies
  • December 16, 2024

Thumbs up on this article, but I'm missing a few things concerning Sonos hardware that is capable of only 2.4G and 802.11b/g connectivity. Modern routers support Smart Connect, OFDMA and such, but the driver for the WiFi adapter in the Sonos firmware that is installed on this older Sonos hardware might not be in complete agreement with such newer options. I'm also missing the words “Airtime Fairness” in this post, which can be an absolute nightmare in its own right.

Newer hardware (e.g., Beam Gen2) has no issues connecting to WiFi6 networks with performance being stable and good. I am however currently looking at an installation for a friend of mine where recently a new WiFi 6 router has been installed with some issues like not being able to de volume control via the S2 app, but when doing volume up/ down on the hardware it does show up in the S2 app as the volume level being changed.

If DHCP reservation actually is a thing for some Sonos hardware it seems that it handles the extension of the currently given address differently between when it's a reservation vs when it comes from the global pool. Normally there is a grace period where if the DHCP server replies in time you just keep the address as it is. But if the address gets immediately applied to the wifi client after the DHCP server says to continue using it, then that implies that DHCP client process does not really work as intended on some Sonos hardware.

Oh...and yes, mDNS is a network protocol and not a hardware feature. It requires udp/5353 to be available on your network (which is usually the case for home networks). Though you should check whether an option, called something like "Wireless Multicast Forwarding" is enabled. It can also be captured under Bonjour support.


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 43 replies
  • December 16, 2024

I read thru what you just said. I didn’t understand 90% of it. And I’m quite tech savvy I’d like to think. Does using Sonos speakers really need this level of technical understanding to get it to work. The last update crashed my three speakers which used to work together very well ( after resetting, resetting voice assistants etcetc and a lot more screaming at the bloody things)

 

thank you for your time and intel on this. Hopefully Sonos can get its …. Together. I’m way past holding my breath. 


Stanley_4
  • Lead Maestro
  • 11223 replies
  • December 16, 2024

All I can tell you for sure on DHCP and addresses is some combinations of Sonos on some networks have odd and hard to diagnose issues. Setting static/reserved IP addresses for ALL Sonos seems to avoid the issue.

I’ve burned a lot of hours on this and made no progress in identifying what is going wrong.

Call me stupid but I’m in pursuit of another possibility but I really hate all the power-cycling of my Sonos (multiple cycles to get the glitch to appear) and then trying to see if the problem can be identified this time.


  • Lyricist II
  • 3 replies
  • December 17, 2024
ThresherUK wrote:

I read thru what you just said. I didn’t understand 90% of it. And I’m quite tech savvy I’d like to think. Does using Sonos speakers really need this level of technical understanding to get it to work. The last update crashed my three speakers which used to work together very well ( after resetting, resetting voice assistants etcetc and a lot more screaming at the bloody things)

 

thank you for your time and intel on this. Hopefully Sonos can get its …. Together. I’m way past holding my breath. 

If this response was towards my post, I can tell you I'm not regularly tech savvy. I've been creating large scale networks for years. Let me see if I can make sense of what I wrote earlier. 

Sonos hardware seems to be very plug and play, but dependent on the current network setup in your home this can easily become plug and pray. But this could then also show up into other issues that might not even be limited to just your Sonos hardware (inconsistent speed to the internet, random connectivity issues and such). Below some possible actions to resolve with some explanations:

  1. Create IP reservations for Sonos hardware in the DHCP scope

If some Sonos hardware does not act well as a DHCP client then you are definitely better of creating IP reservations in the DHCP scope. As a means of testing you can always try this as it's a low risk activity that might solve all your Sonos issues.

  1. Ensure only one DHCP scope is running on your network

What you DON'T want is multiple DHCP scopes in your home network. If you have your internet router and another WiFi router installed in your home this can easily be the case and this WILL lead to disaster, since the IP address on Sonos will then changes based on which DHCP scope responds first (i.e., you'll have hardware being “forgotten”).

  1. How to deal with fixed IP addresses

Also check if there is hardware with fixed IP addresses on the network. You must create a reservation for this hardware in the DHCP scope. Not for that hardware with the fixed address, but to ensure the DHCP scope cannot assign that address to anything else (another road into forgetting land).

  1. Size of the DHCP scope

And lastly: check the size of the DHCP scope. Some hardware had the annoying thing to only allow for like 25 IP addresses in the scope per default, whilst this should be something like 200 IP addresses. A small scope could mean insufficient resources (memory) to run a bigger scope, which could lead to similar issues as above. If the small scope is on an older piece of hardware, either considering moving the DHCP scope somewhere else or possibly replace the hardware running the DHCP scope if it's older hardware.

Concerning the app and its integrations with libraries and assistants. Sonos effectively threw out all the S1 code and started creating the S2 app completely from scratch. In the end, whilst that usually leads to very small and efficient apps it does seem Sonos underestimated how much work it was to do first time right in the highly evolved landscape of Sonos hardware, where there was both older generation hardware as well as new. For months everything with the app was a steaming pile of garbage (I've had issues as well), but with the latest updates installed through the app store I am now able to play music from libraries/ use voice controls that are not only called Sonos.

For a regular music enthusiast the original post shouldn't even exist as you just want a plug and play experience. Sonos does have a very strong ecosystem, good modularity and other good things. But this mess of their own creation has not been a good moment in history for sure. If I'm reading this, then I'm kind of thinking: how many things do I have to consider just to play some music in my home?

And finally...at the four dots. You meant “act” right? :-D


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 43 replies
  • December 17, 2024

Jay, Thank you for the full response ...that i do understand!  Very helpful and thank you for your time.

 

I’ve been quite a poster on here and very critical ( there is only critical or silent tbh), of the Sonos debacle. I’m a big believer in tech..it's the way we will make life a bit more bearable going forward. My concerns are when people do things saying they will work and they don't . The consumer has to challenge otherwise they don't get better.That includes Fruit companies :0)…

I’ve done change management at a FTSE250 level company and I recognise the pitfalls, difficulties with consumer , and staff etc.. I think Sonos staff are trying to do a Red Adair on this. They may well win the day.

 

Your last paragraph I completely understand. You were right on the four dots...my bad for typing one extra. ;-)


  • Lyricist II
  • 3 replies
  • December 23, 2024

Found another thing. If you have multiple SSID (wireless network names) with somewhat similar names that are working with the same password you can get into forgetting land as well. Even if the DHCP scope is coming from the same address you can have devices skipping network.

Think that I back in the day read something about that, not relating to Sonos hardware but to WiFi clients in general. However it can thus “hurt” your speakers too.


  • Lyricist I
  • 1 reply
  • March 12, 2025

That’s a lot of typing.


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