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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 22, 2020

End of Software Support - Clarifications

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End of Software Support - Clarifications

We announced yesterday that some of our oldest Sonos products will be moving into a legacy mode in May of 2020. Our commitment is to support products with regular software updates for a minimum of five years after we stop selling them, and we have a track record of supporting products far longer. 

Here is some public information we’ve shared, gathered into one place to respond to some of your questions in one easy thread, so that people can find the correct information easily.

Beginning in May, software updates and new features from Sonos will only be delivered to systems with only modern products.

After May, systems that include legacy products will continue to work as before - but they will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes, but our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

We don’t expect any immediate impact to your experience, but access to services and overall functionality will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their own services and features. 

 

Customers with both legacy and modern products have time to decide what option is best for them. You can continue to use your whole system in legacy mode - in this case, it will stop receiving updates and new features. 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

Another option available to all customers with legacy products is to take advantage of the Trade Up program, which allows you to upgrade older Sonos products to modern ones with a 30% discount. Trade Up will be open to customers at any time should they decide to upgrade. 

We recognize this is new for Sonos owners, just as it is for Sonos. We are committed to help you by making options available to you to support the best decision for your home.
 

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate with asking.

Update 2/22: A message from our CEO

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

 

Patrick Spence
CEO, Sonos

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Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

I (Love Sonos) but with this announcement/implimentation and a 30% offer.  I might just take my Play 5 up the back garden and give my children a hammer for educational purposes, and give them the difference as Pocket Money. 

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Enthusiast II
January 22, 2020

Those trust pilot reviews are sure getting worse

 

Even more 1 star reviews

 

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.sonos.com

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Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

I am probably a total anomaly..I buy CDs and load them into iTunes (better sound than MP3s, and I own, not rent the music). 

Most of what I play on my Sonos system is music I own...only rarely do I use Pandora. And, GooglePlay, which I loved when it was Songza, doesn’t function now.

So, losing streaming services won’t kill me. Perhaps more clarity in your press announcements would have averted some of the overwhelming anger here. I will say I am reluctant to upgrade to the new Play:5...definitely a better speaker, but with a 5-year life? Really?

Pro Tip: Fire your PR agency. Or, if as is quite possible, you don’t have one...hire one.

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Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

Don’t be kidding yourselves that you can just ride out this one.

 

I honestly don’t believe that they want to ride it out - they have grabbed the idea of disruption and are going to redefine their business into one selling short lived appliances, maybe over time at a low price (having seen that Google and others can create similar products at a fraction of the price). 

Sonos is trying to take the step from being a first-mover, a luxury manufacturer for the few, into becoming a mass-market manufacturer. Similar to what we have seen in other industries such as the car makers.

Why they want to get rid of all their old customers first before finding the new ones is less clear, but it has been seen before that the steps of a new strategy are being executed in the wrong order, perhaps because what is going on right now is the easy part that can be done quickly. Building up the new business takes a bit longer...

 

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“This is a chance now to come up with a system that doesn’t cause massive planetary damage in exchange for disposable stuff,” Proctor said. (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3a8dpn/sonos-makes-it-clear-you-no-longer-own-the-things-you-buy)
Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

I am probably a total anomaly..I buy CDs and load them into iTunes (better sound than MP3s, and I own, not rent the music). 

Most of what I play on my Sonos system is music I own...only rarely do I use Pandora. And, GooglePlay, which I loved when it was Songza, doesn’t function now.

So, losing streaming services won’t kill me. Perhaps more clarity in your press announcements would have averted some of the overwhelming anger here. I will say I am reluctant to upgrade to the new Play:5...definitely a better speaker, but with a 5-year life? Really?

Pro Tip: Fire your PR agency. Or, if as is quite possible, you don’t have one...hire one.

Yeah, I can see how I will have ways to keep my system working, it’s just a shame that after going to the effort of buying in to Sonos’s model for having an ecosystem, I’m going to have to go back to more traditional means of feeding music in to said system. 

Sonos: a story of abandoning the need for a media server, and then needing it back again.

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Lyricist II
January 22, 2020

Simple concept here if Sonos actually wanted to support its best, longest-running customers properly and give them reason/comfort to buy additional equipment over time:  There is absolutely NO TECHNICAL REASON why a “modern/capable” piece of equipment can’t just stream the desired audio to a “legacy” amp/player.  Can already use “line in” from one device to get sound out of another through the network as it is.

 

So come May 2020, allow me to leave all my equipment on the same network, and just have the App use one of the non-legacy products (with the “latest drivers, etc.”) to stream the audio into the legacy one.  Done.  Absolutely no reason that shouldn’t easily be possible since it already works today.  And you can't tell me that the audio stream itself is somehow going to become “too much for older equipment to handle.”  Even if there was something to that (which there isn’t!), then just run a scaler on the “modern box" to convert it to a legacy-level stream.

 

And if this is something Sonos isn’t willing to support, then it’s 100% clear that this move is pure money-grabbing BS for its stock-holders, and all current and future customers should run for the exits!  Won't the investors be pissed at THAT outcome!

THIS is EXACTLY CORRECT. The devices do not all connect to the streaming services (if they did, you would need individual logins for each speaker or speaker set). Instead, they use the controller (software on phone/tablet/computer) to initiate the stream to ONE device in the speaker group. The chosen device then synchronizes its output across the network (either wired or wireless) to play the (highly) synchronized music. )

 So the wording from Sonos SHOULD BE (if they are being honest), you must have *at least one “modern/supported sonos device” in every possible logical speaker grouping that you may want. This would allow everyone to use their existing speakers for years to come AND would push those of us with many logical room/speakers groups to upgrade to newer devices to leverage our existing kit, WITHOUT replacing everything all at once.. 

Get your head out of your asses Sonos. Class actions and activist investors are on your doorsteps like rabid dogs...

 

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Contributor I
January 22, 2020

Just in the process of moving country (yet again) and along with some other AV equipment the Sonos stuff was on the list of ‘which shipping method’.  This just made it easier, bin it and leave it behind.  Originally invested in Sonos because, along with the Squeeze system, it was the only game in town back then and Squeeze was way too clunky for me.  Things have moved on a LONG way since then though and the likes of Airplay and Chromecast etc have come on in leaps and bounds, even if you want multi-room functionality.  Along with that has come a whole slew of speakers, sound bars and such with sound and hardware quality rivalling (and for me, in many cases, surpassing that of Sonos) AND at a fraction of the price, those options are also less of the one trick pony that is Sonos.  In all honesty I never did take to the breeze block style of the older ZPs.

With the massive advances in hardware over the last 5 years, several times I’ve sat and thought that if I was starting from scratch I’m not sure I’d go the Sonos route again. This has absolutely put the nail in the coffin for me and I’ll definitely be leaving my (very expensive) legacy junk behind, I’m not even tempted to try and con anyone into buying it used and telling them it’s a great buy because it isn’t a great buy at all, actually more a great BYE for me!!!

Whatever I replace it with may equally have a lifespan but I’d far sooner replace 4-6 speakers at £200 each in 5 years time than replace Sonos legacy kit at £500-800 a pop!  It was good while it lasted but time to move on.

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Trending Lyricist I
January 23, 2020

Not affected by the current “round” but have 5 play 1s and a play base..

how long before my play 1s are obsolete and can no longer link to my play Base?

Seems the very thing that SONOS sold on (a single integrated sound system) wont be possible as products become obsolete.  It’s farcical to suggest that over time you will need to move obsolete produces to a separate network group.  Bad decisions and bad pR.

 

Sonos products were seen as a premium product and part of the price we pay is for the ongoing maintenance and support.  Whilst we can’t expect this to last forever it should be a hell of a lot longer than is being proposed.  

 

was looking at a sub but have to consider the implications of this - had hoped to build my system up and continually add to it but this does call that mentality into serious question.

 

additioNally 30% discount is a joke when the devices are perfectly serviceable - not exactly environmentally friendly to deliberately brick and render products useless is it.

 

seriously bad decisions

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Lyricist III
January 23, 2020

A deserved wave of negative feedback and publicity for Sonos from a previously loyal fan base. 

Over $3000 to ‘upgrade’ my ‘obsolete’ home sound system that I have invested in repeatedly over the past decade.  

I think I’ll pass on investing any more of my hard earned cash into Sonos or it’s products.

I would like to thank the ‘community’ for sharing their disappointment with this company.

 

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Trending Lyricist I
January 23, 2020

Yep, I am also not a happy camper. While I understand that technology has come a long way since the older products were designed and produced, I never really expected the bullet proof Sonos products would be a ‘throw away’ item.

I have a big whole of house investment in Sonos gear which includes Connects, Connect Amp’s, Play 5’s, Sound bars, Play 1’s. and other products, and to get an email saying the 8 of my products are obsolete, and then insult me by only offering a 30% on RRP discount to update is a joke.

I have been a very loyal customer and massive fan who has recommended and even setup quite a few Sonos systems in friends and family’s homes for many many years.

Now looking for alternatives as Sonos, my friend for many years has let me down big time.

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