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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 22, 2020

End of Software Support - Clarifications

End of Software Support - Clarifications

We announced yesterday that some of our oldest Sonos products will be moving into a legacy mode in May of 2020. Our commitment is to support products with regular software updates for a minimum of five years after we stop selling them, and we have a track record of supporting products far longer. 

Here is some public information we’ve shared, gathered into one place to respond to some of your questions in one easy thread, so that people can find the correct information easily.

Beginning in May, software updates and new features from Sonos will only be delivered to systems with only modern products.

After May, systems that include legacy products will continue to work as before - but they will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes, but our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

We don’t expect any immediate impact to your experience, but access to services and overall functionality will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their own services and features. 

 

Customers with both legacy and modern products have time to decide what option is best for them. You can continue to use your whole system in legacy mode - in this case, it will stop receiving updates and new features. 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

Another option available to all customers with legacy products is to take advantage of the Trade Up program, which allows you to upgrade older Sonos products to modern ones with a 30% discount. Trade Up will be open to customers at any time should they decide to upgrade. 

We recognize this is new for Sonos owners, just as it is for Sonos. We are committed to help you by making options available to you to support the best decision for your home.
 

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate with asking.

Update 2/22: A message from our CEO

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

 

Patrick Spence
CEO, Sonos

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January 22, 2020

When I first started investing in Sonos products, they was really the only show in town for the money. I have continued adding to that system because it worked pretty seemlessly for most of the time and so it was the easiest thing to do (although my Beam has been disappointingly unstable compared to the ‘legacy’ products in my system - how ironic) . Now Sonos go and announce this debacle.

It is also ironic that I am now made aware of all the competitors that have emerged over the last 5 years - Bluesound, Bose, Denon to name a few - from angry customer posts on Sonos’ own website!

Sonos would do well to remember that many of their new competitors have other revenue lines/streams other than multi-room hifi - as far as I can see Sonos does not. To alienate their historic customer base, whilst at the same time putting doubts into the minds of future customers as to just how long their premium products will work for, seems a pretty dumb plan.

Some would say they are “Doing a Ratner…..”

 

Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

I was such a sponsor of Sonos before this, in fact, I think I should have been paid commission!  But with this situation, I now feel responsible for allot of friends getting systems that are almost all considered legacy.  I’m afraid I feel this is more greed than anything else.  I’m doing my research right now and will probably move away from Sonos, not because the alternatives are better solutions, but because I feel this is morally wrong and my trust has gone.  Furthermore, quite insulted with the discount on RRP when I can get discounted products locally.  Makes no sense to through more money at Sonos.   

    

Trending Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

I think i’m also away to speak to my fund manager, make sure I don’t own any stock - I suspect that’s going to continue to drop as consumer confidence tanks.

Contributor I
January 22, 2020

As others have said, clarifying “Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes” would be very useful.  Mainly, if a provider changes their integration, will legacy products be updated accordingly?  Obviously nobody expects AI or voice recognition or any other new features on their legacy products, just the ability to keep using what we have.

Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

Sorry Sonos, I’m a fan, but you’ve dropped one here. I know many will now not consider buying a product as you will continue to make them out of date. 
maybe you should consider a possible hardware solution patch or make upgrading cheaper. 30% discount just doesn’t do it on an expensive item that should last a lifetime. 
With a phone, some people buy the latest one to get the tech, but at least the old versions continue to work! 
really damaging for your system and reputation and I will not be buying any more.

Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

Like many here I have been a Sonos user and supporter since it’s early days. I suppose it was people like us that enabled Sonos to grow. Nobody explained to me that my functioning Sonos equipment would become obsolete. Like many I bought the Connect amp to play through my two traditional Wharfedale speakers. As I see it I’m going to have to shell out at some stage @ £400 to replace the amp if the Trade Up scheme remains in operation; £600 if it doesn’t. Equally how long before the Play 1 speakers I have in other rooms will become obsolete. It’s a quandary and doesn’t sit well with me. 

Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

No new story here - just the same complaint. I, too, have spent thousands on products over the years, all of which are suddenly to become obsolete.  30% off is not a smart trade off when I consider that my 25 year old JBL speakers still sound and work as well as they did the day I got them.  

 Goodbye, Sonos.

Enthusiast II
January 22, 2020

This announcement is having an impact on online reviews. https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.sonos.com

 

 

 

 

Wow, 71% bad reviews already on Trustpilot.

Sonos have reacted way too slowly to the backlash.


I can’t see this ending up well at all.

Short of press release today revoking legacy, this is looking like game over.
Such a shame.

 

 

Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

I’ve done all my ranting and believe they are set in their ways and will not change so…

My personal solution:

I’ve now decided to build a new Wi-Fi network that will not be connected to the internet.

Local network files such as mp3 and FLAC (as long as not 24bit) will continue to play OK.

Plugged into my 4 year old ’Legacy’ Sonos Connect (which sounds amazing btw through a Benchmark DAC, Naim 42.5/110 and AE1’s)

A new PC with digital output could achieve Internet radio and Spotify (whatever floats your boat) being accessed by a Remote Desktop client on my phone. A bit more clunky than the Sonos App but wouldn’t change every week.

Most importantly, would be cheaper and last longer than 5 years (now known as Sonos years).

 

I’d love some ideas on how to improve this concept if anyone has any.

I’ll start with just a 2nd SSID on a separate network but may have to have a 3rd VLAN.

 

You used to be so good Sonos, what happened? ☹️

Enthusiast II
January 22, 2020

This announcement is having an impact on online reviews. https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.sonos.com

I’ve added a review and I encourage everyone else to do the same. Sonos will probably decide to suppress this forum discussion sooner or later, but they can’t remove the reviews on other sites.