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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 22, 2020

End of Software Support - Clarifications

End of Software Support - Clarifications

We announced yesterday that some of our oldest Sonos products will be moving into a legacy mode in May of 2020. Our commitment is to support products with regular software updates for a minimum of five years after we stop selling them, and we have a track record of supporting products far longer. 

Here is some public information we’ve shared, gathered into one place to respond to some of your questions in one easy thread, so that people can find the correct information easily.

Beginning in May, software updates and new features from Sonos will only be delivered to systems with only modern products.

After May, systems that include legacy products will continue to work as before - but they will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes, but our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

We don’t expect any immediate impact to your experience, but access to services and overall functionality will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their own services and features. 

 

Customers with both legacy and modern products have time to decide what option is best for them. You can continue to use your whole system in legacy mode - in this case, it will stop receiving updates and new features. 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

Another option available to all customers with legacy products is to take advantage of the Trade Up program, which allows you to upgrade older Sonos products to modern ones with a 30% discount. Trade Up will be open to customers at any time should they decide to upgrade. 

We recognize this is new for Sonos owners, just as it is for Sonos. We are committed to help you by making options available to you to support the best decision for your home.
 

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate with asking.

Update 2/22: A message from our CEO

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

 

Patrick Spence
CEO, Sonos

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Contributor I
January 22, 2020

Am really pissed off with Sonos following their recent announcement to stop supporting over 50% of my Sonos products. My investment in has been substantial over the last few years and I expected them to continue to work effectively for many years to come. My traditional HiFi is 30 years old and still as good as the day I bought it. And to offer just a measly 30% discount to “upgrade” is a slap in the face. I don’t want more bells and whistles on my system. I just want it to continue to operate effectively without being deliberately downgraded by Sonos.

Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

Like all in the community I am deeply saddened by Sonos announcement re- no more updates for what Sonos term legacy products. I don’t recollect when spending £7k  on my system anyone advising me that it had a shelf life of less than ten-years. I was originally so endeared by Sonos that also I purchased systems for my son and daughter. I was always a great advocate for the company and its products and while considered expensive the quality of product and service provided was excellent making the purchase price seem reasonable. In one fell swoop SONOS has destroyed its customer base and there is not a snowball’s chance in hell of me purchasing another Sonos product under the current terms.

Contributor I
January 22, 2020

Dear Sonos,

No.

Please make updates available to “modern” devices with “legacy” devices on the same network.

Otherwise I will not spend a single dime on yours products ever again. 

(7 of 24 products affected).

 

Contributor I
January 22, 2020

Another early adopter of Sonos here, and how embarrassing the number of mates I have promoted Sonos to!

We helped build your Company, and this is what you do.  

I won't be walking past the Bose stand anymore feeling superior.  This is a disgrace and offering a 30% discount is below contempt.

John Lewis say they are never knowingly undersold, but they must be having a pang of conscience selling me a Sonos unit in 2015 to find it “Legacy”, less than 5 years later.  Add that to the other 5 legacy products I have, and I like many on here feel cheated.

I think all reputable resellers should think long and hard about this, and should they continue to sell Sonos products, be forced to put a notice near the product explaining that support may be arbitrarily withdrawn in the future, rendering the product susceptible to obsolescence.

 

Enthusiast I
January 22, 2020

I bought a Play 5 (Gen 1) and Bridge combo when I retired as a very extravagant present for myself. I had a large and growing collection of CDs that I had added to my iTunes library and had been looking for a system to allow me to play my music wirelessly throughout my home. At the same time I bought a Mac Mini to replace my ageing Windows PC and an iPod to use primarily as the Sonos Controller. I am not rich and I made these purchases only after a lot of hesitation and serious soul searching.

 

I was absolutely delighted with my then basic Sonos system and like many others I have promoted Sonos to friends and associates. A couple of years later I added 2 more Play 5s (again Gen 1) and later still 2 Play 1s which then completed my system with a speaker now in each room. By now my music collection had risen to over 50,000 tracks.

 

The iPod was the first casualty when an update rendered it obsolete as a Sonos controller. I bought an iPad to replace it - first Sonos disappointment involving further expenditure.

 

I use my system to play my own music, set alarms and to listen to Radio using TuneIn and have little interest in music streaming services. If I’m honest I find the Play 1s to be virtually as good as the Play 5s in terms of the sound quality but the best thing about the 5s is the line-in function and headphone socket, features that I’ve found very useful but which were not incorporated into the less expensive speakers.

 

A few months ago, without a great deal of warning, Sonos announced that the “play from this iPad” function would no longer work with speakers that do not support Airplay2 - another Sonos disappointment as I occasionally used that when visiting my daughter to play music on my iPad through her Play 1.

 

As recently as a couple of weeks ago, again after a lot of deliberation, I bought a Beam in the hope that it would improve the sound from my Samsung Smart TV. It’s OK but I wouldn’t say it’s brilliant. Of necessity it sits in front of the TV where it blocks the remote receiver on my TV meaning that I have to stand over the TV to use the remote, and Alexa can’t even access my music library - another unexpected Sonos disappointment. It came with a free 6 month Spotify Premium trial subscription which I am familiarising myself with, but from experience so far I doubt I’ll continue to subscribe.

 

Yesterday’s e mail from Sonos has now basically informed me that the bulk of my system will no longer be supported from May 2020 and that if I continue to use it in combination with my Play 1s and Beam they too will be unable to receive updates meaning that over time the entire system will lose some functionality.

 

The offer to get a 30% discount off replacement products is absolutely derisory besides which even if I could afford 3 Play 5s the current model doesn’t have the ‘line in’ function that I find so useful. The Play 1s, not currently defined as legacy products, are now discontinued so no doubt before too long another Sonos e mail will announce that they too are about to become obsolete.

 

I simply cannot afford to replace my entire Sonos system so my knee-jerk reaction is to list the Beam on Ebay whilst it’s still new enough to achieve a sale price roughly equal to what I paid for it and to then allow my system to run until it fails and, in the meantime research what alternatives are available for someone, like me, who simply wants to listen to my CD collection.

 

I will however wait until May to see what the as yet unannounced work-around to run legacy speakers on a separate Sonos system involves.

 

My faith in Sonos right now is shattered. Whilst I understand that nothing lasts forever I don’t think it unreasonable to expect very, very expensive equipment that can still work as it was initially intended to should no longer be updatable purely because the developers want their customers to alter their listening habits. So Sonos please tell me why I should even consider buying more of your products or recommend them to others.

 

Paul St
Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

No need to close the other thread, it does not clarify anything, you will soon have another 55 pages of angry customers who have spend thousands on this system, including myself. 
well done Sonos, I am now looking at alternative speakers, I will not be caught out like this again, and as for a 30% discount on an upgrade, you can shove it where the sun don’t shine 😡

Enthusiast I
January 22, 2020

Never mind about the Shareholder meetings, I just closed out my position (I will show you the order 😵.  I won’t be using my Capital gains from your stock to purchase more equipment either.  You really have upset me, although you obviously don’t care.

Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

Ryan

Please could Sonos answer how Connect:AMP units purchased in 2017 from a mainstream retailer who was out of stock at the time (so had to order in) are marked as legacy units so presumably pre-2015. Serial number starting 5CAA. As Sonos have now explained the pre-2015 units are a different product to the ‘modern’ Connect:AMP units so should have not been sold as the same.

Thanks

Lyricist III
January 22, 2020

Congrats to BBC to cover this. I am sharing that with all my local and national news feeds.

Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

I echo much of what has already been said and normally would not post but this has angered me. I will now be very reluctant to add any more components to my existing system for the fear the same will happen with that. 
 

Also if I did want to use the trade up - which I don’t because I have something that works - why would I want to trade in my old Play5 for a Move. I would want a Play5 surely?