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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 22, 2020

End of Software Support - Clarifications

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End of Software Support - Clarifications

We announced yesterday that some of our oldest Sonos products will be moving into a legacy mode in May of 2020. Our commitment is to support products with regular software updates for a minimum of five years after we stop selling them, and we have a track record of supporting products far longer. 

Here is some public information we’ve shared, gathered into one place to respond to some of your questions in one easy thread, so that people can find the correct information easily.

Beginning in May, software updates and new features from Sonos will only be delivered to systems with only modern products.

After May, systems that include legacy products will continue to work as before - but they will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

Sonos will work to maintain the existing experience and conduct bug fixes, but our efforts will ultimately be limited by the lack of memory and processing power of these legacy products.

We don’t expect any immediate impact to your experience, but access to services and overall functionality will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their own services and features. 

 

Customers with both legacy and modern products have time to decide what option is best for them. You can continue to use your whole system in legacy mode - in this case, it will stop receiving updates and new features. 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

Another option available to all customers with legacy products is to take advantage of the Trade Up program, which allows you to upgrade older Sonos products to modern ones with a 30% discount. Trade Up will be open to customers at any time should they decide to upgrade. 

We recognize this is new for Sonos owners, just as it is for Sonos. We are committed to help you by making options available to you to support the best decision for your home.
 

If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate with asking.

Update 2/22: A message from our CEO

We heard you. We did not get this right from the start. My apologies for that and I wanted to personally assure you of the path forward:

First, rest assured that come May, when we end new software updates for our legacy products, they will continue to work as they do today. We are not bricking them, we are not forcing them into obsolescence, and we are not taking anything away. Many of you have invested heavily in your Sonos systems, and we intend to honor that investment for as long as possible. While legacy Sonos products won’t get new software features, we pledge to keep them updated with bug fixes and security patches for as long as possible. If we run into something core to the experience that can’t be addressed, we’ll work to offer an alternative solution and let you know about any changes you’ll see in your experience.

Secondly, we heard you on the issue of legacy products and modern products not being able to coexist in your home. We are working on a way to split your system so that modern products work together and get the latest features, while legacy products work together and remain in their current state. We’re finalizing details on this plan and will share more in the coming weeks.

While we have a lot of great products and features in the pipeline, we want our customers to upgrade to our latest and greatest products when they’re excited by what the new products offer, not because they feel forced to do so. That’s the intent of the trade up program we launched for our loyal customers.

Thank you for being a Sonos customer. Thank you for taking the time to give us your feedback. I hope that you’ll forgive our misstep, and let us earn back your trust. Without you, Sonos wouldn’t exist and we’ll work harder than ever to earn your loyalty every single day.

If you have any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us.

 

Patrick Spence
CEO, Sonos

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Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

Dress it up however you like, the fact remains that as a company Sonos is unwilling to do the work required to keep our systems viable. To make it all worse, anyone who gives in to their “nice system, shame if something happened to it” extortion scheme is bricking their devices, turning them into so much high tech landfill. It takes a particular corporate vision to trash both existing customers and the planet in one fell swoop, so kudos for that.

 

It’s a shameful approach and effectively unforgivable from my standpoint. You’ll never get another dollar from me. 

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Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

This is appalling. I emailed support yesterday and had a response from Mikey today as follows:

Thank you for contacting Sonos. My name is Mikey.

You don't have to purchase new items, we just want you to be aware that the existing items you have will not be able to support new software features & functions after May, you can continue to use them However unfortunately the products that have been in market for 10+ years have reached the limit of their microprocessor & memory capabilities. 

You can continue to use them with the existing software OR you can choose to trade up to our newer ones the choice is yours.

The initial communication received by all of us yesterday stated that by continuing to use legacy products not allow new products to receive updates. Has this view now changed? If so, what is it going to look like? Why wasn’t this thought through fully before antagonising your loyal customers?

i find the communication I received to be arrogant and patronising. My response (by email and reproduced here for information) was as follows:

I am appalled and highly stressed by the arrogance of your reply and lack of appreciation of a loyal customer.

 So, you expect me to pay another £700 to maintain the currency my Sonos system?

There is nothing wrong with the performance of my Play5’s and I would like to maintain it that way. Do you appreciate what a big investment I have made in Sonos? Approximately £2,500 over the past 7 years. Can you understand that I feel it is perfectly reasonable to expect the system to last beyond 7 years and that I am affronted by the high handed attitude shown by Sonos.  I thought that I had bought the best, had a high level of brand loyalty, sadly this is not matched by the Sonos loyalty to their customers.

I have new Sonos products which also will not be updated - therefore my whole system will suffer over time if I do not upgrade, spending another £700! It seems that Sonos is holding a gun the the heads of their long time customers. It is simply not acceptable.

Please find a better solution to the challenge and demonstrate your loyalty to your customers.

I have sent this also to Mr Spence, CEO and President of Sonos. I hope that he reads this and the responses of many customers.

Come on Mr Spence, show some loyalty to us, your customers.

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Contributor I
January 22, 2020

So I need to find AUD 8,000 to keep my system working … spend it on Sonos upgrades or take my money elsewhere … hmmm ???

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Trending Lyricist I
January 22, 2020

 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

 

Will this remove the ability to group old and new products together. Will this prevent the ability to stream music across all products in sync if you own a mixture of old and new ones?!?!?

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Lyricist II
January 22, 2020

this all makes me really sad. I feel silly for investing so much in products that are now worthless. audio formats have not substantially evolved in the last few years so I’m said my setup needs pulling. what are the non-sonos alternatives?

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Ryan S
Ryan SAuthor
Retired Sonos Staff
January 22, 2020

I am finding this a bit confusing. I have a Connect that I only bought less than a year ago. When I login into sonos.com it shows this as a ‘modern product’. So will this change in May to be shown as a Legacy product? Perhaps Sonos could provide the serial numbers of products that are either currently obsolete or will be obsolete in May please. 

 

I get that old products get out of date but I think the answer is just to provide a better discount for people in this situation. Offering a product at cost price and keeping a loyal customer would be the best business decision surely...

@Chris Morgs, your Connect is a newer device with better hardware than the older version of the Connect. If it’s a Connect made after 2015 it is not a legacy device and in May it will continue on as a Modern device. It’s the older version of the Connect (previously named the ZP90 or ZP80) which won’t be getting updates after May.

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Enthusiast II
January 22, 2020

 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

 

Will this remove the ability to group old and new products together. Will this prevent the ability to stream music across all products in sync if you own a mixture of old and new ones?!?!?

Yep… that’s my problem too

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Ryan S
Ryan SAuthor
Retired Sonos Staff
January 22, 2020

 

You will also be able to separate your legacy products from your modern products, so that the modern products can still receive updates and new features, and legacy products can still be used separately. We’ll have more information on how to do this in May when you can take that action.

 

Will this remove the ability to group old and new products together. Will this prevent the ability to stream music across all products in sync if you own a mixture of old and new ones?!?!?

I responded to your other thread, too, but yes, you would have two systems on your network, a modern system and a legacy system. They’d be separate.

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Lyricist II
January 22, 2020

I shall now be returning my recent SONOS soundbar purchase and look to invest in a different system that will last longer than 3 years. I have spent hundreds of pounds on SONOS but no more. I am now an EX CUSTOMER 
Very bad form SONOS and most disappointing. I actually quite liked your product as well. 

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Enthusiast II
January 22, 2020

Bloody hell I never thought of it like this but …..

Article - ‘The Morning After: Sonos 'legacy' plan makes smart homes look silly’ ….. have a read. 

https://www.engadget.com/2020/01/22/sonos-legacy-morning-after/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHezhX7s0Vm6aL9-3rZy5WEK3M_UnCwOVEcc57QXwjiKtFc0v4PNk8TfgVxgsrpMFDvwKB_e3OrOymZbyEP2Hk6kYDtf3CKNt_azzFhFudWGSGL06VMSow1GBu7KsO0Evd3e94CNU9MiDlef0MjRoCKxtAd0w1o71kHVnbLF0nCB

Widens the debate somewhat. 

 

Yeah, agreed, it does indeed make the whole smart home concept look silly, and very fragile, Sonos have opened a Pandora’s box.

I would think the whole of the smart market will be watching the Sonos story closely to see how it pans out.

For me it’s definitely an eye opener, as now I’ll be looking at every piece of tech and thinking what’s the life span likely to be. Not just in terms of how well is it made, how robust is the support, or even how trustworthy is the company. Sonos has proven in the last 48 hours that none of those things are relevant.

I’ll be spending significantly less on tech in the future. Stand alone devices is a definite, and certainly not an eco system. 
 

 

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