We might finally get a new one. Including HDMI 2.1.
The guy who posted the topic on reddit soon deleted it after it was posted possibly because he actually wasnt allowed to post it?
If you click on his profile you'll find posts where he do everything in his power to make the post "less likely" and told people it was false. I think he fucked up revealing sensitive information. (since Sonos is too private about their releases and upcoming stuff)
Rumoured source:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PMYMBHFS8QoJ:https://www.reddit.com/r/sonos/comments/7vm79v/leak_the_next_sonos_sound_bar_will_have_hdmi/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=dk
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1517993468
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Apparently fake news. See his admission in the 2018 Playbar thread.
Sorry, wasn't at home, and was using a phone. Here's the link:
https://en.community.sonos.com/home-theater-228993/next-generation-playbar-2018-6793521/index1.html#post16205872
https://en.community.sonos.com/home-theater-228993/next-generation-playbar-2018-6793521/index1.html#post16205872
https://en.community.sonos.com/home-theater-228993/next-generation-playbar-2018-6793521/index1.html#post16205872
Not sure what is true but I won't buy a playbar before a new one comes out. I got a play 3 and I'm ready to complete my whole 5.1 setup but won't do it before Sonos get hdmi (dts / atmos)
https://en.community.sonos.com/home-theater-228993/next-generation-playbar-2018-6793521/index1.html#post16205872
Not sure what is true but I won't buy a playbar before a new one comes out. I got a play 3 and I'm ready to complete my whole 5.1 setup but won't do it before Sonos get hdmi (dts / atmos)
I hope you get something at least. My experience playing Bladerunner 2047 on 4K blue ray with and without the Playbase is chalk and cheese.
double bluff perhaps ?!
We won’t know until there is either a confirmation on a release from Sonos this year...or not. As much as I want it to be true doesn’t mean it is true. So I’ll hope for the best, and not be wildly disappointed if it doesn’t pan out.
But in the meantime, I do need to do some research with regards to his claims. I haven’t been following HDMI 2.1 very closely.
The part that makes it fake to me is the fact that their would be so few TVs that would have a function like eARC, and Sonos’ propensity for maximizing revenue by hitting the widest market possible. If Sonos had shown in the past that they were releasing hardware at the cutting edge of technology, I’d deem this more probable.
I hope I’m wrong, but I do want this thread to be a balanced understanding of the potential, and not a “OMG, it’s going to be released next week” thread. So far, it hasn’t. I want others to apply a critical eye to this, much as we have so far.
But in the meantime, I do need to do some research with regards to his claims. I haven’t been following HDMI 2.1 very closely.
The part that makes it fake to me is the fact that their would be so few TVs that would have a function like eARC, and Sonos’ propensity for maximizing revenue by hitting the widest market possible. If Sonos had shown in the past that they were releasing hardware at the cutting edge of technology, I’d deem this more probable.
I hope I’m wrong, but I do want this thread to be a balanced understanding of the potential, and not a “OMG, it’s going to be released next week” thread. So far, it hasn’t. I want others to apply a critical eye to this, much as we have so far.
But in the meantime, I do need to do some research with regards to his claims. I haven’t been following HDMI 2.1 very closely.
The part that makes it fake to me is the fact that their would be so few TVs that would have a function like eARC, and Sonos’ propensity for maximizing revenue by hitting the widest market possible. If Sonos had shown in the past that they were releasing hardware at the cutting edge of technology, I’d deem this more probable.
I hope I’m wrong, but I do want this thread to be a balanced understanding of the potential, and not a “OMG, it’s going to be released next week” thread. So far, it hasn’t. I want others to apply a critical eye to this, much as we have so far.
Some of the stuff I've read about HDMI 2.1 seems to indicate that TV manufacturers won't have it in their 2018 models. Maybe some mid-year new models or refreshes, but I'm not expecting it on any first-round 2018 stuff. There is a company with an eARC HDMI 2.1 chipset though (Lattice Semiconductor), so it's not impossible that Sonos could be integrating that if they're working on such a product. If it's really true, it would be awesome for Sonos to be ahead of the curve with something like this... as long as they don't blow it on codec support.
And speaking of codecs, video codecs may not be necessary to license if they don't pass through a video signal. If they're strictly using ARC/eARC, they'd only be dealing with audio data. Of course, losing an HDMI port strictly for audio on a TV with only 2 or 3 of them would be a pretty big loss IMHO.
Between HDMI 2.1 and ATSC 3.0 both being finalized now, I'm looking forward to the day I can buy a new One Connect Mini box for my Samsung TV with both an upgraded over-the-air tuner and an updated HDMI chipset. Here's to hoping it's sooner than later!
And speaking of codecs, video codecs may not be necessary to license if they don't pass through a video signal. If they're strictly using ARC/eARC, they'd only be dealing with audio data. Of course, losing an HDMI port strictly for audio on a TV with only 2 or 3 of them would be a pretty big loss IMHO.
Between HDMI 2.1 and ATSC 3.0 both being finalized now, I'm looking forward to the day I can buy a new One Connect Mini box for my Samsung TV with both an upgraded over-the-air tuner and an updated HDMI chipset. Here's to hoping it's sooner than later!
My only concern is: do Sonos have enough experience and knowledge to manage HDMI stuff? It means many protocols: hdcp, CEC, arc ...
For sure it is more complex than optical and there are more competitors with more experience there: Denon, Yamaha, Sony, ...
For sure it is more complex than optical and there are more competitors with more experience there: Denon, Yamaha, Sony, ...
Sooo.
Apparently there is a FCC filing on it now. Apparently has HDMI... But no word on what HDMI version it will use yet.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/30/17304114/sonos-fcc-filing-playbar-rumor-update-alexa-voice
https://fccid.io/SBVRM014
Apparently there is a FCC filing on it now. Apparently has HDMI... But no word on what HDMI version it will use yet.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/30/17304114/sonos-fcc-filing-playbar-rumor-update-alexa-voice
https://fccid.io/SBVRM014
Please please please Sonos make full channel stereo option available when watching TV as well and I will trash my current home theater setup in favor of full Sonos HT! Please
http://www.aftvnews.com/fcc-filing-suggests-sonos-is-working-on-a-new-tv-sound-bar-with-alexa-voice-control/
Not possible, because audio tracks as such are integral parts of TV shows and movies, regardless of the medium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_sound#/media/File:Anamorphic-digital_sound.jpg
I'm no expert, but I don't see how it's not possible. I understand that you've got a 5.1 or other signal, but doesn't this get downgraded to stereo sound all the time? For example, if you're watching a streaming or Blu-ray that's in 5.1, you can listen to it over the TV's stereo speakers, right? So how would that be any different if you chose to have stereo sound from the soundbar and rears of your sonos setup?
Personally, I would be interested in this for the times I want to listen to stream music through the tv. Toggling between the audio formats would need to be easy or automatic to be useful though.
Personally, I would be interested in this for the times I want to listen to stream music through the tv. Toggling between the audio formats would need to be easy or automatic to be useful though.
When in TV-mode Playbar/Playbase are capable of downgrading predefined 5.1 to 2.0/2.1 stereo, which in turn can be 'upgraded' to a virtual surround image but with true 2.0/2.1 two-channel stereo sound the rear surrounds remain silent.
Personally, I would be interested in this for the times I want to listen to stream music through the tv. Toggling between the audio formats would need to be easy or automatic to be useful though.
It is possible but makes zero sense for movies and TV shows and even less sense for audio.
It ruins the stereo image and I don't know what benefit it provides other than making sound come out of all speakers just because you can.
It is possible but makes zero sense for movies and TV shows and even less sense for audio.
It ruins the stereo image and I don't know what benefit it provides other than making sound come out of all speakers just because you can.
As I stated before, I sometimes would prefer to stream music through the tv (firetv) because of the added visuals, possibly lyrics, on the tv. In those cases, stereo would be preferable to 5.1. It might help to understand that the room I'm referring to is both family room and kitchen, with the 2 rears located in the kitchen area. If I'm standing in the kitchen, I'd rather hear stereo than a surround image. It really isn't any different in that scenario than if I was streaming amazon music directly through sonos.
It really isn't just a 'because you can' situation. It's far from a deal breaker, but it absolutely has it's benefits.
All home theater and avr receiver allow for this functionality.
For sure someone is using it (me for example) for many reasons, caring less for audiophile measures, levels and set up.
For sure someone is using it (me for example) for many reasons, caring less for audiophile measures, levels and set up.
For sure someone is using it (me for example) for many reasons, caring less for audiophile measures, levels and set up.
Then remove the surround configuration, and group rears and Bar/Base together.
It is possible but makes zero sense for movies and TV shows and even less sense for audio.
It ruins the stereo image and I don't know what benefit it provides other than making sound come out of all speakers just because you can.
As I stated before, I sometimes would prefer to stream music through the tv (firetv) because of the added visuals, possibly lyrics, on the tv. In those cases, stereo would be preferable to 5.1. It might help to understand that the room I'm referring to is both family room and kitchen, with the 2 rears located in the kitchen area. If I'm standing in the kitchen, I'd rather hear stereo than a surround image. It really isn't any different in that scenario than if I was streaming amazon music directly through sonos.
It really isn't just a 'because you can' situation. It's far from a deal breaker, but it absolutely has it's benefits.
I believe you are trying to use your sons for both HT and Stereo Audio. Instead of looking into a method for audio to come from all speakers, Sonos should implement an easy way to uncouple and re-couple the primary stereo pair from the 5.1 setup.
I believe you are trying to use your sons for both HT and Stereo Audio.
Yes, but that doesn't really tell the whole story. I would like the option to be able to quickly switch to full audio even when playing audio for the tv, and back again. Right now, you can only set to full audio when playing from non-tv sources...and it's not exactly a quick switch.
Instead of looking into a method for audio to come from all speakers, Sonos should implement an easy way to uncouple and re-couple the primary stereo pair from the 5.1 setup.
If that's what you want. Great. I'm not interested though. I just want the option to play full audio (stereo) for tv sources (optical input). I would think that would be a lot easier to implement then reassigning the speaker bonds quickly.
It isn't possible to transcode TV sound on-the-fly.
The more I think about it, the more I realize it would be better to release a AVR instead of a new soundbar
Releasing a soundbar, it would just become outdated again in the future and require a new revision - but releasing a hugely upgraded AVR instead (SUPERCONNECT) would make more sense.
Would be great if you had a SUPERCONNECT and then you could just buy your Play 1/3/5 and use those to create a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system - benefit of this is you get better channel separation and more options for how you position and setup your home theater - I would hope that the SUPERCONNECT also allowed 5.1.2/5.1.4 or 7.1.2/7.1.4 and then SONOS sold the Upfiring Atmos speakers that would be cool
Of course either way my playbar would become redundant, not that I currently have the space to setup a 5.1.2 system with Play 3 speakers, lack of space is the reason I bought the Playbar and Play 1s in the first place, but having that upgrade path for the future would be nice
If a SUPERCONNECT is realeased, then once I have the space I would sell my Playbar and Play 1's and then buy the SUPERCONNECT and 8 PLAY 3's, keeping the SUB to create that 7.1 system. Of course by the same token, once I get more space, if at that time doing this was not possible with Sonos I would sell my entire Sonos system and then buy a high end AVR from Yamaha/Denon and just buy all the speakers and create that setup myself
Releasing a soundbar, it would just become outdated again in the future and require a new revision - but releasing a hugely upgraded AVR instead (SUPERCONNECT) would make more sense.
Would be great if you had a SUPERCONNECT and then you could just buy your Play 1/3/5 and use those to create a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system - benefit of this is you get better channel separation and more options for how you position and setup your home theater - I would hope that the SUPERCONNECT also allowed 5.1.2/5.1.4 or 7.1.2/7.1.4 and then SONOS sold the Upfiring Atmos speakers that would be cool
Of course either way my playbar would become redundant, not that I currently have the space to setup a 5.1.2 system with Play 3 speakers, lack of space is the reason I bought the Playbar and Play 1s in the first place, but having that upgrade path for the future would be nice
If a SUPERCONNECT is realeased, then once I have the space I would sell my Playbar and Play 1's and then buy the SUPERCONNECT and 8 PLAY 3's, keeping the SUB to create that 7.1 system. Of course by the same token, once I get more space, if at that time doing this was not possible with Sonos I would sell my entire Sonos system and then buy a high end AVR from Yamaha/Denon and just buy all the speakers and create that setup myself
I believe you are trying to use your sons for both HT and Stereo Audio.
Yes, but that doesn't really tell the whole story. I would like the option to be able to quickly switch to full audio even when playing audio for the tv, and back again. Right now, you can only set to full audio when playing from non-tv sources...and it's not exactly a quick switch.
Instead of looking into a method for audio to come from all speakers, Sonos should implement an easy way to uncouple and re-couple the primary stereo pair from the 5.1 setup.
If that's what you want. Great. I'm not interested though. I just want the option to play full audio (stereo) for tv sources (optical input). I would think that would be a lot easier to implement then reassigning the speaker bonds quickly.
That is not at all what I want. Faux-stereo sound is a terrible idea.
What you are looking for is a feature a very, very small number of people would use because there is no real-world, practical application for it. If there were unlimited development resources; maybe its a nice-to-have at best.
The uncoupling method gives you what you are looking for (the right way) and is do-able from a technology standpoint. If I were looking for a solution, that's where I would focus my efforts.
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