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Serious Issues with the Music Library


Hello, I’m trying to summarize the problems with the music library, at least as far as I’m concerned.

I’ll describe my scenario: QNAP NAS with a library of about 17,000 files, organized into folders by artist. I use SMB protocol v2 and v3. I have 2 SONOS Play1, 1 Play 5, and a soundbar + SUB. I’m using the new Android app.

The issues I’ve encountered with the library, which frustrate me quite a bit since I purchased SONOS years ago specifically for managing the internal music library, are as follows:

- When I start a playlist (for example, of 300 songs), the queue populates with 64,000 tracks, repeating the playlist in a loop.

- In the alarm configuration, it’s no longer possible to set a playlist, only the buzzer or external services (spodify, sonos radio, ecc...)

- Difficulty adding songs to the queue.

- Cannot play music from an entire folder (selecting music library - folders).

- Cannot find podcasts on Spotify.

- Radio stations often do not start.

- The status light on the devices remains on, even when trying to turn it off.

I’ve read that some of you use Plex, but I think it’s the subscription version with the library hosted on their servers, as local Plex is not recognized.

All these problems did not exist before the new app was launched; in fact, the S2 app had reached a level of perfection. The Windows desktop app still works correctly.

Do you know any official channels to report all these issues? It’s unacceptable that such an expensive system has such poor support.

Best answer by Corry P

Hi ​@bollicine 

Welcome to the Sonos Community!

I am sorry to hear of these issues that you are experiencing. I will go through each:

bollicine wrote:

- When I start a playlist (for example, of 300 songs), the queue populates with 64,000 tracks, repeating the playlist in a loop.

This is a known issue that we are investigating. I have tagged this thread with the tracker and will inform you here when I hear of it being resolved. You may find that tapping the 3-dot menu and choosing Add to Queue or Replace Queue will work more reliably.

bollicine wrote:

- In the alarm configuration, it’s no longer possible to set a playlist, only the buzzer or external services (spodify, sonos radio, ecc...)

This is also an issue we are aware of that affects the new app and we are investigating. Again, I have tagged this thread and will update when I hear more. If you instead set an alarm using the Desktop Controller for Windows or macOS, you will be able to set Music Library content as the Alarm.

bollicine wrote:

- Difficulty adding songs to the queue.

I have not seen this issue on my own system. Does this happen with any song, or only particular tracks? Is it easily reproducible for you? If so, please reproduce the issue and submit a support diagnostic immediately afterwards. Please let me know here when you have done so, and I’ll be happy to take a look. Please do not share the given number, however - I’ll find it without.

bollicine wrote:

- Cannot play music from an entire folder (selecting music library - folders).

This is due to a fundamental change in how the app views folders. The Play button will only be available when the currently viewed folder has playable content, and adding tracks from folders recursively is no longer available. There’s a feature request thread here where you can add your voice:

bollicine wrote:

- Cannot find podcasts on Spotify.

Spotify is responsible for the content you see. The Sonos app is primarily designed for music listening and we recommend the use of native apps to play Podcasts - please use the Spotify app to play Spotify Podcasts to your Sonos system. AirPlay and Bluetooth may also be options, depending on your speakers.

bollicine wrote:

- Radio stations often do not start.

Does this happen with any radio station, or specific ones? If specific ones, can you please give some examples? Please also let me know where you are playing from (what country) as stations can be geo-specific (I am in the UK and cannot play non-UK stations, so would need to ask a colleague to test in an as-similar a condition as possible).

bollicine wrote:

- The status light on the devices remains on, even when trying to turn it off.

This should not happen. Though, the light will only go off when it is supposed to be steady white - if anything else, it will still show. A reboot of the speaker(s) may help, but if you set the light to be off, exit the screen of the app from which you did so, and then revisit that page, has the setting “stuck”? If not, please ensure your app is up-to-date by manually checking on your App Store (Apple) or Play Store (Android).

bollicine wrote:

I’ve read that some of you use Plex, but I think it’s the subscription version with the library hosted on their servers, as local Plex is not recognized.

Free Plex works, but it does come with it’s own access issues - I cannot use it since switching to an ISP (Internet Service Provider) that uses something called CGNAT, which basically means my public IP address is shared across multiple users (I may have this wrong - I don’t fully understand it). This limitation is mentioned by Plex in their troubleshooting pages. Aside from this, some people are reporting issues with Plex - we have reported it to Plex, but ultimately, it is up to them to write the code that integrates their API (Application Programming Interface) with ours.

I recommend you get in touch with our technical support team who have tools at their disposal that will allow them to give you advice specific to your Sonos system and what it reports - there are steps we can try.

bollicine wrote:

All these problems did not exist before the new app was launched; in fact, the S2 app had reached a level of perfection. The Windows desktop app still works correctly.

The Sonos app is perpetually in a state of change - it was never “perfect”, and, in fact, many people were unhappy with the User Interface, which is part of what prompted us to change it in the first place. It will also allow us to do much more in the future. It is improving with each update, but we do still have work ahead of us.

bollicine wrote:

Do you know any official channels to report all these issues?

As you can see, many of them we are already aware of, and you literally just did report them.

bollicine wrote:

It’s unacceptable that such an expensive system has such poor support.

I am puzzled by this - I can only find two cases on your account and one was generated by an email to our CEO. As far as I can ascertain, you have not been in touch with our support team since 2020, so I don’t know how you came to this conclusion. We appreciate that some people such as yourself are still seeing some issues, however, and we are working hard to address them - we can only thank you for your patience in this regard.

I hope this helps.

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Corry P
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  • January 14, 2025

Hi ​@bollicine 

Welcome to the Sonos Community!

I am sorry to hear of these issues that you are experiencing. I will go through each:

bollicine wrote:

- When I start a playlist (for example, of 300 songs), the queue populates with 64,000 tracks, repeating the playlist in a loop.

This is a known issue that we are investigating. I have tagged this thread with the tracker and will inform you here when I hear of it being resolved. You may find that tapping the 3-dot menu and choosing Add to Queue or Replace Queue will work more reliably.

bollicine wrote:

- In the alarm configuration, it’s no longer possible to set a playlist, only the buzzer or external services (spodify, sonos radio, ecc...)

This is also an issue we are aware of that affects the new app and we are investigating. Again, I have tagged this thread and will update when I hear more. If you instead set an alarm using the Desktop Controller for Windows or macOS, you will be able to set Music Library content as the Alarm.

bollicine wrote:

- Difficulty adding songs to the queue.

I have not seen this issue on my own system. Does this happen with any song, or only particular tracks? Is it easily reproducible for you? If so, please reproduce the issue and submit a support diagnostic immediately afterwards. Please let me know here when you have done so, and I’ll be happy to take a look. Please do not share the given number, however - I’ll find it without.

bollicine wrote:

- Cannot play music from an entire folder (selecting music library - folders).

This is due to a fundamental change in how the app views folders. The Play button will only be available when the currently viewed folder has playable content, and adding tracks from folders recursively is no longer available. There’s a feature request thread here where you can add your voice:

bollicine wrote:

- Cannot find podcasts on Spotify.

Spotify is responsible for the content you see. The Sonos app is primarily designed for music listening and we recommend the use of native apps to play Podcasts - please use the Spotify app to play Spotify Podcasts to your Sonos system. AirPlay and Bluetooth may also be options, depending on your speakers.

bollicine wrote:

- Radio stations often do not start.

Does this happen with any radio station, or specific ones? If specific ones, can you please give some examples? Please also let me know where you are playing from (what country) as stations can be geo-specific (I am in the UK and cannot play non-UK stations, so would need to ask a colleague to test in an as-similar a condition as possible).

bollicine wrote:

- The status light on the devices remains on, even when trying to turn it off.

This should not happen. Though, the light will only go off when it is supposed to be steady white - if anything else, it will still show. A reboot of the speaker(s) may help, but if you set the light to be off, exit the screen of the app from which you did so, and then revisit that page, has the setting “stuck”? If not, please ensure your app is up-to-date by manually checking on your App Store (Apple) or Play Store (Android).

bollicine wrote:

I’ve read that some of you use Plex, but I think it’s the subscription version with the library hosted on their servers, as local Plex is not recognized.

Free Plex works, but it does come with it’s own access issues - I cannot use it since switching to an ISP (Internet Service Provider) that uses something called CGNAT, which basically means my public IP address is shared across multiple users (I may have this wrong - I don’t fully understand it). This limitation is mentioned by Plex in their troubleshooting pages. Aside from this, some people are reporting issues with Plex - we have reported it to Plex, but ultimately, it is up to them to write the code that integrates their API (Application Programming Interface) with ours.

I recommend you get in touch with our technical support team who have tools at their disposal that will allow them to give you advice specific to your Sonos system and what it reports - there are steps we can try.

bollicine wrote:

All these problems did not exist before the new app was launched; in fact, the S2 app had reached a level of perfection. The Windows desktop app still works correctly.

The Sonos app is perpetually in a state of change - it was never “perfect”, and, in fact, many people were unhappy with the User Interface, which is part of what prompted us to change it in the first place. It will also allow us to do much more in the future. It is improving with each update, but we do still have work ahead of us.

bollicine wrote:

Do you know any official channels to report all these issues?

As you can see, many of them we are already aware of, and you literally just did report them.

bollicine wrote:

It’s unacceptable that such an expensive system has such poor support.

I am puzzled by this - I can only find two cases on your account and one was generated by an email to our CEO. As far as I can ascertain, you have not been in touch with our support team since 2020, so I don’t know how you came to this conclusion. We appreciate that some people such as yourself are still seeing some issues, however, and we are working hard to address them - we can only thank you for your patience in this regard.

I hope this helps.


Corry P
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  • January 15, 2025

Hi ​@bollicine 

Corry P wrote:
bollicine wrote:

- In the alarm configuration, it’s no longer possible to set a playlist, only the buzzer or external services (spodify, sonos radio, ecc...)

This is also an issue we are aware of that affects the new app and we are investigating. Again, I have tagged this thread and will update when I hear more. If you instead set an alarm using the Desktop Controller for Windows or macOS, you will be able to set Music Library content as the Alarm.

Apologies - I did not inform you of all the options here. While playlists cannot be added, there is a search bar at the bottom of the screen where you can search your Music Library (and services) for content to assign to the alarm, such as an album or song.

Search allows assigning of Music Library content

I hope this helps.


MoPac
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  • January 15, 2025

 When I start a playlist (for example, of 300 songs), the queue populates with 64,000 tracks, repeating the playlist in a loop.
 

Use SonoPhone $3.99 Apple App Store to load your playlists into the queue.  The playlist will not duplicate.  The Sonos PC app also avoids this duplication issue.  

So the only app that screws it up is the official Sonos mobile app.  Go figure 


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  • 4 replies
  • January 15, 2025

Thanks to all for help. We are therefore eagerly awaiting the new App updates


CanisLupusNL
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  • Lyricist III
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  • January 16, 2025

Yes, that is the most frustrating, that 3rd party apps, or Sonos own Windows app CAN properly navigate Folders and Play / Add them to the queue…

Please Sonos, fix this basic feature! I've been using it for 12+ years on my Sonos and am now missing it for nearly a year...

Also: 

is not really a feature request, it is reinstating a functionality that has always been working...


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  • January 23, 2025

I didn’t use our Sonos system for 3 months while our house was being renovated.  That was the best the Sonos app has been for me since the cockup. Back home now and reminded daily of what a mess they made of it and what a mess it still is.

FWIW, the “people didn’t like the S2 UI” is so tired - the new UI is just as bad, maybe worse, along with diminished functionality. And pretty much everyone knows that a UI can be changed without breaking the plumbing.  At least I think we all know that, but for those who don’t, there you go. They broke the plumbing for some headphones and a phantasy about a great new app - the UI is only a symptom of that. 

And the only good UI on a Sonos app at this point is the PC desktop app - easy to navigate and full-featured.


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  • January 30, 2025

cory p wrote:

The Sonos app is perpetually in a state of change - it was never “perfect”, and, in fact, many people were unhappy with the User Interface, which is part of what prompted us to change it in the first place. It will also allow us to do much more in the future. It is improving with each update, but we do still have work ahead of us.

I think bollicine’s intention when using the word “perfection” was that it WORKED, not that there was no room for improvement. And it’s disappointing the “Best answer” agrees it now DOESN’T work (ie; listing known issues) while vaguely implying it’s somehow better, or will be sometime in the future :(

I have not updated Sonos since before the May update, and my NAS music library access & functionality is great (as it has been before & after moving my personal music files to a new NAS in 2021).

Perhaps it’s time to give customers the option of using the new improved version or the old working one?


Corry P
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  • January 30, 2025

Hi ​@tres 

I have installed every single app and firmware update on my own system and have never had an issue with Music Library other than not having any album art for a while. Yes, I would have been unable to add a shared folder with the app, but as it was already set up and working long before, I did not need to do anything.

The app was not responsible for the difficulties that people had - it was the loss of SMBv1 support arising from it’s removal from speaker firmware. This would still have happened even if the new app had never been launched, though I admit that the timing could have been a lot better.

Best Answers are not Solutions - there is a reason for the wording. They are the best information/advice available at the time.

The old app will not be coming back.

I hope this helps.


CanisLupusNL
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  • January 30, 2025

@Corry P Can you then please try to Browse you Music Library by Folder, and then try to add 2 seperate Folders to the Queue?

This was perfectly working before May 2024, and has now been broken ever since.


Corry P
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  • January 30, 2025

Hi ​@CanisLupusNL 

Good point! My apologies - I had forgotten about that as it is not a method I personally use to queue up tracks. You are correct - this functionality has been broken.

I brought this up internally just the other day (which makes it worse that I forgot about it again!) and got a ticket opened up for it (it was previously being classed as a feature request, but I felt that it is lost functionality and should be treated as such). I cannot give you an estimate of a timescale, nor will there be any progress updates, but I think the functionality will now return, at some point.

I hope this helps.


CanisLupusNL
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  • January 30, 2025

@Corry P This would really make my day-week-month-year! :)

Thanks a lot for flagging it, I think it is a reasonable request ;)
Happy to hear on updates when you've got an idea on this.


Ken_Griffiths
CanisLupusNL wrote:

@Corry P This would really make my day-week-month-year! :)

Thanks a lot for flagging it, I think it is a reasonable request ;)
Happy to hear on updates when you've got an idea on this.

Meanwhile you could quickly make a playlist of the two folders you referred to and play all that way, until the functionality returns. Such playlists can take literally seconds to make with numerous Apps to do these things quickly. I use the MusicStreamer App on my tablet, but there are plenty of ways to do this, even manually, with say an *.m3u playlist, albeit that takes longer than most Apps can do it.


CanisLupusNL
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  • January 30, 2025

@Ken_Griffiths I am aware, but I use Folders mainly for browsing Genre \ Albums, creating a Playlist per Album seems a bit overkill ;)


Ken_Griffiths
CanisLupusNL wrote:

@Ken_Griffiths I am aware, but I use Folders mainly for browsing Genre \ Albums, creating a Playlist per Album seems a bit overkill ;)

I was thinking more along the lines of just making playlists to include those folders you play regularly - you can always remove/shuffle things about too and it’s not a suggestion to replace the functionality you’re requesting, but more an interim solution to perhaps (hopefully) assist until folder playback is restored.


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  • February 24, 2025

Repeading the list in a loop:

I’ve examined the same issue but with a total of 64815 songs…

Fact is (as per 24. Feb. 2025), when you start playing tracks from a folder (in my case NAS) using the S2 App (IOS), the list populates up to 64815 tracks…

Workaround: start the folders music by using the desktop App! Do not touch the S2 App!

After done, the S2 App will show/play the correct amount of tracks.


CanisLupusNL
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wees wrote:

Repeading the list in a loop:

I’ve examined the same issue but with a total of 64815 songs…

Fact is (as per 24. Feb. 2025), when you start playing tracks from a folder (in my case NAS) using the S2 App (IOS), the list populates up to 64815 tracks…

Workaround: start the folders music by using the desktop App! Do not touch the S2 App!

After done, the S2 App will show/play the correct amount of tracks.

For a workaround this is a good idea, but not more than that :P

I normally use the Browse / Queue Folders for selecting Albums or Genres and play them.
As you can imagine, you would do this multiple times per day / week, so reaching out to the Desktop app then would be somewhat of a hassle.

However, you did inspire me to see if I can do this via Home Assistant :P


(and hopefully Sonos will fix this in the coming month as ​@Corry P  mentioned 25 days ago. Any update on that?)


Corry P
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  • February 24, 2025

Hi ​@CanisLupusNL 

The last I heard, this issue had a surprisingly low case count - as priority is based upon case counts, I can only recommend that anyone affected by this issue who has not already called in to report it now do so.


CanisLupusNL
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  • February 24, 2025

@Corry P Where would it be needed to report? Official case in Sonos Support?


I have seen a lot of (power) users report this issue in various communities, including this and related other topics on the Sonos Community….

Sonos Devs should also know better, as this function is working on Desktop Software and not on iOS and Android….


Corry P
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Hi ​@CanisLupusNL 

CanisLupusNL wrote:

@Corry P Where would it be needed to report? Official case in Sonos Support?

Yes, please call in.

CanisLupusNL wrote:

I have seen a lot of (power) users report this issue in various communities, including this and related other topics on the Sonos Community….

I know - and yet, there is a low case count. That’s why I am asking people to call in.

 

CanisLupusNL wrote:

Sonos Devs should also know better, as this function is working on Desktop Software and not on iOS and Android….

I don’t know why it happens, only that it does. It’s entirely possible that they do know better, but as there are so few cases, all the evidence points to this being a low-priority issue. There is only one way to change that.

 

 


CanisLupusNL
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  • February 24, 2025

Thanks, I have contacted support and also reached out to other users to contact support with this issue to show how many people are dealing with this...


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  • March 7, 2025

I have some serious problems too since the last fw update from a weeks ago, ( Feb/March 2025 for S1)

See 

 

 


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