End of Software Support - Clarifications

Odd isn’t it

Not going to debate the definition of the word with you.   The reason why Sonos is stopping updates on legacy systems, or more accurately, what we each believe the reason to be, matters.  That’s the point I was trying to make.

Surprised it took this long.

Yes I’d understand it if I swore or was aggressive or anything like that, but I try to objective open and honest and respectful

maybe it was a one off as I seem to be able to post okay now - very odd

That looks interesting but probably a fair amount of work assembling it! I’d be interested to know how you get on with it.

Fair enough Danny, but this was not about the definition of the word - rather you inferred something from it that I did not mean, and I have clarified the meaning that I was trying to express. There should be no confusion or debate now that I have clarified it for you hopefully

Sonos has stated otherwise.    No one has access to the level of technology to prove this one way or the other.  The fact that you or anyone else isn’t aware of a technical reason is not proof that there isn’t one.  You can chose to believe them or not. 

I think https://www.hifiberry.com/ plus https://www.openmediavault.org/ looks pretty powerful

I was previously considering buying a couple of the IKEA speakers to add into my system before this situation blew up; previously I never had a reason to look elsewhere, but now I am and my eyes are opened up to the possibilities

Look Danny whether you like it or not, or agree with it or not….

If we have a legacy system with old and new units in it, then our new units are being held hostage at an old version of the system. 

You can debate the reasons for this all you like - you can object to the words that I use all you like…

BUT whatever defence you may suggest for Sonos’ decisions it doesn’t change the above fact.

(and I’m not trying to start an argument here)

I disagreed with how someone else was using the word, not you, and was trying to have a reasoned debate.    You’re correct, I never should have bothered to respond to you.

I dont have a problem with it having a 5 year guarantee that it will get all possible new features.

I have a big problem with a product that in 5 years will have key functionality it has had for 5 years away. (Multi room)

Yeah, if one was just a bit conspiratory one could think that sonos might have hired some people or made some of their own people go to the forum and try to persuade people that the lemon they have fed people, is actually not as sour as it really is.

Not totally unheard of, as a means of damage control.

This is pretty much what I am testing. I’ve got the server/player set up on  a RPi, but long term would move the server to a docker on my OMV server. 

Standard operating procedure these days. I have no evidence that this is actually going on, just an observation.

have you found anything good to use to control playback from Android? (I mean an app that can control the pi’s and effect playback from omv)

I don’t think I was fully clear on my previous statement that you quoted above.  I was referring to “sonos would clearly be able to make the legacy products work and still have newer firmware versions on the newer products”, not ‘hostage”.  I agree that modern units will not be able to receive updates while in the same system as legacy units.    Sonos  has stated there are technical reasons for this and no one is required to believe them.  It is possible that Sonos is lying about this.  It is also possible that Sonos is telling the truth.

Yes, there’s a Material skin which I am using and looks great mobile and desktop, link goes to screenshots. But there are also a pretty big number of well review apps in Google Play (assume iOS too) but I haven’t got that far yet.

Edit screen shot from my Chromebook that I scaled down so it’s not obnoxiously large

If one were very cheeky, one could theoretically disassemble a sonos speaker and rip out the electronics and just fit this player inside and connect to the existing speaker units inside.

From the drawings on the website it does look like it needs to be wired to the network switch which i hope is not needed and it can run wirelessly.

The LMS part can be run off of a NAS, which i have anyway.

Also...It seems it is only mono, which is annoying in the play 5...But maybe it is possible to add 2 picoplayers inside and just set them up as a stereo pair.

Link saved, i will be looking into this.

An app like Hi-Fi Cast can do a lot - it isn’t a server by itself, but it can send your music from a server to e.g. a Sonos device, a MusicCast device, or probably many others (I have tried only those two).

Could you please speculate on what the technical reason that my play 5 that can do multi room with my other speakers today is going to be unable to do this after may and needs to be put in a seperate network.

The ONLY reason is that sonos has chosen not to do it.

PS. We can not make the speakers run on different firmware versions is NOT a valid reason, this is a “Won’t” problem, not a “can’t” problem

Understood Danny, but it doesn’t change the fact that If we have a legacy system with old and new units in it, then our new units are being held hostage at an old version of the system and that plus the loss of the ability to group old and new units together in “party mode” if we split the system to allow new units to update means the whole raison d'être, the “core “if you like of the reason many choose Sonos has been ripped out of the systems we bought.

Sonos staff are marked as such, and no, I’m not secretly paid by Sonos to say nice things about them.  However, just like everything else, you (the royal you) are free to believe I’m just lying to you.

That looks pretty cool - thanks

Yes it seems pretty fishy that there suddenly seems to be an insurge of these people.

Maybe sonos decided that a few support workers should do a bit of “damage control” on here. (Not that i think they are doing a good job of it though 🙂 )

I really hope this isn’t the case, but who knows?????