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  • Avid Contributor I
  • 41 replies
  • September 27, 2022

Won’t be until October 18th at the earliest. They tend to release 1 software update a month on the 3rd Tuesday of every month. So don’t expect anything until then. If still no fix, then it’s time to vent once more.


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  • Trending Lyricist I
  • 36 replies
  • September 27, 2022

Sonos please make me a birthday present and fix the sub and sound signature please...  I honestly can't wait any longer...  ;(


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 32 replies
  • September 28, 2022

This thread died :/


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  • Lyricist III
  • 14 replies
  • September 28, 2022
FPSJ wrote:

This thread died :/

Much like my previous affinity for Sonos. 


  • Lyricist III
  • 7 replies
  • September 29, 2022
Stone love sound wrote:
Z95DFP wrote:
Stone love sound wrote:
RBM1505 wrote:

Just another voice to say the sub update is definitely broken.

I have an Arc, 2x One SLs and the Sub Gen 3. I don’t have Trueplay enabled. 

I’ve just been doing some A/B and there’s definitely something wrong. 

With sub audio set to default (0), I actually get better more prominent low end with the sub OFF. It’s immediately noticeable if I play a low end heavy track. I have to turn the Sub volume up to +6 to get roughly what I was hearing pre-update. You can flick it on and off while tracks are playing.

When you enable the sub it ‘takes over’ the low end from the Arc/Ones essentially automating crossover. However, following the update the sub is being so underpowered that by doing this you’re just losing the low end completely. 

This is a dedicated £750 sub. It’s not meant to be subtle, it should have noticeable bass which it used to. I’ve spoken to Sonos support, even they are admitting it’s still a problem guys. 

I think the majority of us will agree with you, including myself that the sub is still broken. But in the interim, we are just trying to improve the sound quality as best as possible until it’s completely fixed.

 

I had this issue - split your Ones and Sub into one ‘room’, and put the Arc in another ‘room’, for music you will get 14.10 type sound playing both rooms simultaneously.  You wont get the lack of bass issue with the ones driving the Sub.  I have the Arc volume slightly above the ones/sub, I can enjoy music again until they fix this mess properly. 

 

This should also work for TV too via the HDMI (tested mine via Creative X4 external DAC to PC and I can game in 5.1 audio, even though the system is split into two virtual rooms, so same principle should hold true for TV connection, I would think. 

 

Only thing this wont fix is allowing you to play Atmos music via Amazon Music - multiroom playback stops you from having the ability to select Atmos (prob due to the 2x ones + sub as a standalone) and UHD tracks, but to be honest HD sounds amazing anyway.  

 

Hope the above helps anyone wanting a short term music fix!!!! Literally cant believe the difference - my sub is now on +2 (from +15 and still sounded rubbish)  and the bass is thundering away on my music again properly as it should be! 

This is a really good idea. I think I’m going to give it a try just to see how it works.

Splitting the arc from SUB definitely works, just make sure that the other room with SUB + One sl’s has trueplay disabled. I did that and was able to shake my walls again :D


  • Lyricist I
  • 1 reply
  • September 29, 2022

I'm new to Sonos but months ago the system was impecable, could almost cry listening to it.

But for a while now the volume has halved. Not happy at all. My classic speaker friends are laughing at me.

Whyyy?

Beam + 2 Fives + Sub


Ken_Griffiths
DGsound wrote:

I'm new to Sonos but months ago the system was impecable, could almost cry listening to it.

But for a while now the volume has halved. Not happy at all. My classic speaker friends are laughing at me.

Whyyy?

Beam + 2 Fives + Sub

The overall device-volume hasn’t changed - it’s just a change to the volume curve. Set your volume slider a little further up, over to the right, to restore it to the volume-level you were using before.


Dogdad
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  • Headliner III
  • 443 replies
  • September 29, 2022
Ken_Griffiths wrote:
DGsound wrote:

I'm new to Sonos but months ago the system was impecable, could almost cry listening to it.

But for a while now the volume has halved. Not happy at all. My classic speaker friends are laughing at me.

Whyyy?

Beam + 2 Fives + Sub

The overall device-volume hasn’t changed - it’s just a change to the volume curve. Set your volume slider a little further up, over to the right, to restore it to the volume-level you were using before.

Maybe you haven’t noticed that many do not like the volume map they changed.. regardless whether it’s a little or a lot. For most I think it’s a lot. 


Ken_Griffiths
Dogdad wrote:
Ken_Griffiths wrote:
DGsound wrote:

I'm new to Sonos but months ago the system was impecable, could almost cry listening to it.

But for a while now the volume has halved. Not happy at all. My classic speaker friends are laughing at me.

Whyyy?

Beam + 2 Fives + Sub

The overall device-volume hasn’t changed - it’s just a change to the volume curve. Set your volume slider a little further up, over to the right, to restore it to the volume-level you were using before.

Maybe you haven’t noticed that many do not like the volume map they changed.. regardless whether it’s a little or a lot. For most I think it’s a lot. 

Slightly irrelevant, as the conversation was about the volume ‘halving’ - whereas the overall volume has not actually changed, its just the mapping to the volume slider that has changed, so as stated, to return the Beam to the same volume output as before, then the volume slider needs to be moved to the right - this is very clearly mentioned/covered in the first post in this thread by the Staff.


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  • Trending Lyricist I
  • 36 replies
  • September 29, 2022

We are waiting..... NEVER FORGET , NEVER FORGIVE ... THIS IS SPARTA :D 


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  • Avid Contributor I
  • 29 replies
  • October 1, 2022

Recently bought Arc + Sub Gen 3. Using with Sony Bravia XR X90J. Overall system is awesome but not happy with power output, especially the arc. Volume levels are awfully law. I switched from JBL bar 9.1 that has 800+ watt output. For content I used to listen to at 50% volume, I have to raise Arc volume all the way till 90/100. My TV audio out level is at 100%, Arc volume limiter is at 100%, night mode is off. Pretty much everything that can get in the way of volume is handled. Yet, Arc leaves you wanting more power. 

Software on arc and sub are up to date. I am an android user so can't even blame the trueplay tuning bug related to 14.12 update. I hate to say but my conclusion is - Arc simply doesn't have enough power output, which is a disappointment considering it's such an expensive hardware. Happy to be proven wrong.


Ken_Griffiths

@darshakparmar,

I have Arc, surrounds and Sub with an LG C9 TV in a 22’ x 14’ room and I find 40% is the volume level we mostly use. I certainly never have the level set higher than double that, as 80% volume is way too loud in our Home.

So that perhaps infers, that these things depend on the fixed volume-output level of the attached TV and that the Sony XR X90J has perhaps been designed to work at a much lower volume level output, than some other brands? So Sonos presumably have to cater for every brand & model and their ‘varying’ volume output levels.


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  • Prominent Collaborator I
  • 94 replies
  • October 1, 2022

You didn’t accidentally limit the volume output in the S2 app?


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  • Avid Contributor I
  • 29 replies
  • October 1, 2022

@Ken_Griffiths thanks for sharing that info. I am in a pretty similar room - 25ft by 15ft with my viewing area in one side of the rectangular room. I have used JBL bar 9.1 with the same Sony tv and with exact same audio settings/configuration. But as I mentioned, Arc seems to lag behind with peak power output.

@JeroenVR No. My volume output on S2 app is at 100%.

I will find an iPhone and try trueplay tuning to see if it changes anything.

EDIT - one of the reason it could be happening is that JBL (like many other brands) upscales lesser channels audio into all channels (eg 2.1 to 5.1.4 or 5.1 to 5.1.4) in order to utilise all available speaker drivers on the system, making overall presentation louder and fuller. Sonos, on the other hand, remains truthful to the source audio and uses speaker drivers based on available channel data from source content (eg stereo will use only left/right channels, 5.1 will not use height channels ...). That might make Sonos sound not as loud as JBL bar 9.1 under same configuration of A/V. But having said that, missing power is more evident when I am streaming music from Sonos app


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  • Prominent Collaborator I
  • 94 replies
  • October 1, 2022

Just to make sure:

I mean the volume limit, that’s different than volume output. Maybe we talk about the same thing, then never mind ☺️

 


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  • Enthusiast II
  • 49 replies
  • October 1, 2022
Dogdad wrote:
Ken_Griffiths wrote:
DGsound wrote:

I'm new to Sonos but months ago the system was impecable, could almost cry listening to it.

But for a while now the volume has halved. Not happy at all. My classic speaker friends are laughing at me.

Whyyy?

Beam + 2 Fives + Sub

The overall device-volume hasn’t changed - it’s just a change to the volume curve. Set your volume slider a little further up, over to the right, to restore it to the volume-level you were using before.

Maybe you haven’t noticed that many do not like the volume map they changed.. regardless whether it’s a little or a lot. For most I think it’s a lot. 

Exactly that. I ungrouped my 2x 1SL's and created a stereo pair with the sub3. All of this is now on the previous volume curve, blows me away at level 50 and sounds back to how it should. Not worth having my Arc on any more, now the quietest thing in the house when everything else is at the same level. Why did they have to change it beats me. Singled out the flagship and ruined it. What a shame and what a waste of my hard earned cash. Needs reverting back, simple. I'll keep banging the drum


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  • Avid Contributor I
  • 29 replies
  • October 1, 2022
JeroenVR wrote:

Just to make sure:

I mean the volume limit, that’s different than volume output. Maybe we talk about the same thing, then never mind ☺️

 

Yep. We are talking about the same thing 🙂


  • Enthusiast I
  • 50 replies
  • October 1, 2022

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Logged on for the first time in years. Have an old S1 system but moving to a new house in a year and started research for a soundbar and this is the first thing I see. Why still on S1? I was hacked off by the junking of the controllers and the attempted junking of the S1 components so refuse to buy any more Sonos cos they junk stuff. First thread I see and it appears the old habits are still foremost?

Ah well, Sony, Samsung, Sennheiser or whatever….

Best of luck, people.


jgatie
  • 27783 replies
  • October 1, 2022
133133 wrote:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Logged on for the first time in years. Have an old S1 system but moving to a new house in a year and started research for a soundbar and this is the first thing I see. Why still on S1? I was hacked off by the junking of the controllers and the attempted junking of the S1 components so refuse to buy any more Sonos cos they junk stuff. First thread I see and it appears the old habits are still foremost?

Ah well, Sony, Samsung, Sennheiser or whatever….

Best of luck, people.

 

Nobody cares, dude.  But hey, you do you. 🙄


Dogdad
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  • Headliner III
  • 443 replies
  • October 1, 2022
jgatie wrote:
133133 wrote:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Logged on for the first time in years. Have an old S1 system but moving to a new house in a year and started research for a soundbar and this is the first thing I see. Why still on S1? I was hacked off by the junking of the controllers and the attempted junking of the S1 components so refuse to buy any more Sonos cos they junk stuff. First thread I see and it appears the old habits are still foremost?

Ah well, Sony, Samsung, Sennheiser or whatever….

Best of luck, people.

 

Nobody cares, dude.  But hey, you do you. 🙄

Wrong.. many people care… speak for yourself, not for others. 


jgatie
  • 27783 replies
  • October 2, 2022
Dogdad wrote:

Wrong.. many people care… speak for yourself, not for others. 

 

I meant nobody cares about someone who gave up on Sonos years ago checking in to tell us they gave up on Sonos years ago.  It's not relevant to the current problem, which I certainly know people care about.

And if you believe someone still bitching about S1 is actually looking at Sonos S2 soundbars, I have a bridge to sell you.  This just another pissed off S1 complainer who won't let it go.


  • Enthusiast I
  • 50 replies
  • October 2, 2022

As Dogdad wrote, do not speak for me. I never gave up on Sonos, it was Sonos that attempted to give up on me.

Yeah, sure I stopped buying new Sonos products but then my rooms were all serviced, I had no need. Now I am moving home. After reading up about the Arc it could satisfy my future requirement and reviews well hence, as I said, I came on here to enhance my research and I merely pointed out the irony that the same things that turned me right off were still happening. Believe it or not I am a happy bunny on S1. Take your superiority complex with you.


jgatie
  • 27783 replies
  • October 2, 2022
133133 wrote:

As Dogdad wrote, do not speak for me. I never gave up on Sonos, it was Sonos that attempted to give up on me.

Yeah, sure I stopped buying new Sonos products but then my rooms were all serviced, I had no need. Now I am moving home. After reading up about the Arc it could satisfy my future requirement and reviews well hence, as I said, I came on here to enhance my research and I merely pointed out the irony that the same things that turned me right off were still happening. Believe it or not I am a happy bunny on S1. Take your superiority complex with you.

 

Like I said, nobody cares.


Generalzod
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  • Lyricist III
  • 71 replies
  • October 4, 2022

 if I knew that the new  firmware update  would have ruined  my viewing and listening pleasure i wouldn’t have updated my Sonos arc, yet here we are the in the month of October and it appears still no resolution insight.

 


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  • Lyricist III
  • 55 replies
  • October 4, 2022

Is trueplay broken with the new sub mini also, or it’s working normally? I’m looking forward to see the answer in the next days… 


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