DTS, Dolby 5.1 on Playbar, 2015 edition!



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As jgatie suggested, the player could be set to downmix DTS. It's also possible that the TV you have doesn't output DTS, in which case it would have switched the audio to Stereo. Some TVs will only pass stereo PCM from HDMI sources.

The Sony XBR75X940D mentioned above by Mlacey415 looks like it will pass Dolby or DTS depending on what it receives. But under settings you can make sure that it'll pass Dolby or set it to stereo when you're sending it a DTS signal. The PLAYBAR will perform upmixing on a stereo signal to get a surround experience which works well, though if you get Dolby to it that's always best.

Having a device in the middle that can do conversion on the fly from DTS to Dolby Digital 5.1 is usually the best thing to do if you have a large Blu-Ray collection which only has DTS on it. There are some good options listed here.


Hi - thanks for the added info. My sony 70 inch xbr70x850b definitely can pass through 5.1. And yes, my older bluray player had to have been downmixing, in order to give me stereo. I was just surprised (and still am) to hear of folks getting complete silence with DTS blurays. i, too, would be frustrated with that. (Especially if I were unaware of the DTS issue.)
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I have loved my Sonos gear for quite some time and for many years they were the only consumer solution out there - but as the great Bob Dylan said 'times they are a changin' and the market is now full of credible alternatives. Out of respect to Sonos and the years of audio pleasure they have given me I am not going to name them here (go Google that for yourself) but I for one will be leaving Sonos behind.

DTS is important for me (and I fully appreciate its not for others, so each to their own and all that) but when I can have a whole house music system that is integrated into all my components, from standalone speakers to HiRes supporting stereo amps to Dolby ATMOS capable Amplifiers, I find myself with a compelling reason to leave. When the company whose products I have loved, and whose revenues I have contributed to substantially, refuse to recognise my (and lots of other users) needs - its time to go.

So thanks again Sonos (and I honestly mean that sincerely) for pioneering a whole new approach to music listening and making it accessible to the masses. But as another famous man who has been quoted to the stars and back said - 'so long, and thanks for all the fish'..
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We hate to see you go ijhammo, but we hope you're happy wherever you land. We know DTS is important to some people and while there are solutions like using a Blu-Ray player which can transcode the signal to Dolby Digital, we understand wanting to have it natively. Perhaps one day our paths will cross again.

Have a good one!
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I have loved my Sonos gear for quite some time and for many years they were the only consumer solution out there - but as the great Bob Dylan said 'times they are a changin' and the market is now full of credible alternatives. Out of respect to Sonos and the years of audio pleasure they have given me I am not going to name them here (go Google that for yourself) but I for one will be leaving Sonos behind.

DTS is important for me (and I fully appreciate its not for others, so each to their own and all that) but when I can have a whole house music system that is integrated into all my components, from standalone speakers to HiRes supporting stereo amps to Dolby ATMOS capable Amplifiers, I find myself with a compelling reason to leave. When the company whose products I have loved, and whose revenues I have contributed to substantially, refuse to recognise my (and lots of other users) needs - its time to go.

So thanks again Sonos (and I honestly mean that sincerely) for pioneering a whole new approach to music listening and making it accessible to the masses. But as another famous man who has been quoted to the stars and back said - 'so long, and thanks for all the fish'..


Actually it was the dolphins what said that
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I have loved my Sonos gear for quite some time and for many years they were the only consumer solution out there - but as the great Bob Dylan said 'times they are a changin' and the market is now full of credible alternatives. Out of respect to Sonos and the years of audio pleasure they have given me I am not going to name them here (go Google that for yourself) but I for one will be leaving Sonos behind.

DTS is important for me (and I fully appreciate its not for others, so each to their own and all that) but when I can have a whole house music system that is integrated into all my components, from standalone speakers to HiRes supporting stereo amps to Dolby ATMOS capable Amplifiers, I find myself with a compelling reason to leave. When the company whose products I have loved, and whose revenues I have contributed to substantially, refuse to recognise my (and lots of other users) needs - its time to go.

So thanks again Sonos (and I honestly mean that sincerely) for pioneering a whole new approach to music listening and making it accessible to the masses. But as another famous man who has been quoted to the stars and back said - 'so long, and thanks for all the fish'..


Actually it was the dolphins what said that


Ha ha, good point. I'm sure he will have also said it, but he did indeed write it with the Dolphins saying it 😃
Hi everybody, I would like to share my experience with Sonos and Ps4 regarding the famous 5+1 output.
From the test I have done it looks like that the source you give to ps4 affects the result.



Sonos via digital cable to tv: games ok 5.1 with PS4 audio output hdmi and second settings on Dolby digital midstream (test done with GTAV). DVD runs on Dolby digital as well with same config but I had to switch from pmc linear to bitstream from DVD audio menu.(test done with Save the private Ryan and Terminator 3)

Blue Ray via digital cable to tv: only stereo with same Ps4 settings even if from Blue Ray I Switch to bitstream. No way.

After several tries I got the solution : Ps4 connected to sonos and ps4 audio output on digital optical + bit stream.
At this point on blue Ray disc another audio option magically appeared named "mix". With this settings finally the system receives Dolby digital 5+1.

Any idea about what is this "mix" audio option?

Anyways I have just bought a Samuns blu ray player which is able to convert dts to Dolby digital and I should fix without switching optical from bar every time. Also I should have more picture quality from this player.

Audio quality is impressive already and I still have receive the sub...
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Hi Pico

Frankly, I'm at a lost as to what you are trying to convey and/or ask? I have the following equipment connected to my Samsung 2014 Plasma with Playbar surround setup (i.e. sub and rears).

Google Fiber DVR
PS4
Xbox 1
Apple TV
Roku
FireTV

Other than selecting a source input I'm not making any audio adjustments to the Samsung or the source unit(s). If you are not getting DD 5.1...I'd say i'ts the encoding on the disk that is not allowing the enhanced audio to flow over optical. Some type of DRM must be in play on the disc.

Maybe someone else in the Community can comment on this as I'd like a better understanding as well. :?

Cheers!
Sorry, probably it's because of my bad English. I'm trying to understand why on blu ray disk I have to connect the optical directly to PS4 and I have to select "bitstream mix" in the disc menu. This is the only solution to have 5+1 with blu ray. All other solutions have Stereo as result.

The strange thing is that with DVD and games it get Dolby with HDMI and optical to tv.

Also another strange thing: "bitstream mix" audio option in b.r.disk menu' appears only when ps4 is connected directly via optical.

Sorry if I'm not clear enough, this thing is hard to explain in my native language as well.
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Hi Pico

I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination. However, from all that I have read (from you) thus far it sounds like you may have the wrong connections from your source units to your TV and out to the Playbar. My suggestion is to connect all your source units to a powered HDMI switch; then HDMI to TV and Optical out from TV to Playbar. The type of switch I'm referring to can run up to $300 (USD) but I've found it a worthwhile investment.

Here's the US link to the one that I use...purchased here in the US: https://octavainc.com/HDMI%20switch%204x1%20ARC%20port_pro.html

I also found a link for Italia: http://www.futurhome.net/octavafile/octava_hd41arc.pdf

This unit is designed specially to work with the Sonos Playbar. You can probably find something similar where you live. I've attached a diagram of my connections for your review - Click it to enlarge it. I hope this sets you on the right path to a "set it once and leave it" solution.

P.S.
You probably already verified this...but make sure your TV is capable of sending DD 5.1 over optical; as all sets aren't.

Cheers!




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Hi Pico

"I also found a link for Italia: http://www.futurhome.net/octavafile/octava_hd41arc.pdf"

Here's the direct link to home page for the Octava dealer in Italy: http://www.futurhome.net/

Cheers!
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I'm having a nightmare trolling through all of these threads, if I use an HDMI switch am I not going to lose the audio from my tv ? Whats the best way to do this that people have found. I'm only willing to spend about £30 on this problem though after just buying the PlayBar!!! Can live with stereo is there's not cheap fix
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Hi chrisredmayne

Sorry that you are getting a bit frustrated trying to sort all this information out. Here's the down and dirty...

1. Playbar will only process DD 5.1 if your TV will pass it over Optical - some TV's will and some won't - check your manual or call the manufacturer tech support.
2. Using a HDMI switch will not cause you to lose TV audio as long as it's properly configured. As the name implies you will have to select (switch to) the correct source unit to view and listen to content.

That being said...
A. Are you trying to get audio from different sources to play through the Playbar? If you have enough HDMI inputs on your TV you don't need a switch...just the optical cable to run between your TV's optical out and the Playbar's optical in.
B. Are you having trouble setting up surround (DD 5.1). Assuming you've verified condition "1" above. Also, you'll need Play 1's x 2 or Play 3's x 2 for the rear surround speakers. The Sonos Sub while recommended is optional but you only get DD 5.0.

Please post back with additional questions. Everyone is here to help!

Cheers!
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Hi chrisredmayne

Sorry that you are getting a bit frustrated trying to sort all this information out. Here's the down and dirty...

1. Playbar will only process DD 5.1 if your TV will pass it over Optical - some TV's will and some won't - check your manual or call the manufacturer tech support.
2. Using a HDMI switch will not cause you to lose TV audio as long as it's properly configured. As the name implies you will have to select (switch to) the correct source unit to view and listen to content.

That being said...
A. Are you trying to get audio from different sources to play through the Playbar? If you have enough HDMI inputs on your TV you don't need a switch...just the optical cable to run between your TV's optical out and the Playbar's optical in.
B. Are you having trouble setting up surround (DD 5.1). Assuming you've verified condition "1" above. Also, you'll need Play 1's x 2 or Play 3's x 2 for the rear surround speakers. The Sonos Sub while recommended is optional but you only get DD 5.0.

Please post back with additional questions. Everyone is here to help!

Cheers!


My tv wont passthrough the audio so I'm trying to get it to use audio from the tv, pc and ps4 without having loads more wires, switches and plugs everywhere. Ordered a three way optical switcher from amazon so I can get the ps4 and tv optical wires in, will hang on and see how that works! I might just live without PC audio for now as that seems more troublesome as I would need an hdmi to optical box I think ? Stressful times setting this up!
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Your last statement....
[/quote]My tv wont passthrough the audio so I'm trying to get it to use audio from the tv, pc and ps4 without having loads more wires, switches and plugs everywhere. Ordered a three way optical switcher from amazon so I can get the ps4 and tv optical wires in, will hang on and see how that works! I might just live without PC audio for now as that seems more troublesome as I would need an hdmi to optical box I think ? Stressful times setting this up![/quote]

You say...."I'm trying to get it to use audio from the tv"...by it assume you mean the Playbar. Then you go on to say.... "so I can get the ps4 and tv optical wires in". Something doesn't add up???. I understand that some TV's won't pass DD 5.1 over optical; but yet you say you're trying to get..."the PS4 and TV optical wires in..."

Question...Does your TV have an optical out or not??
Hi Pico

"I also found a link for Italia: http://www.futurhome.net/octavafile/octava_hd41arc.pdf"

Here's the direct link to home page for the Octava dealer in Italy: http://www.futurhome.net/

Cheers!


Thank you for your help, I fixed everything with a new blu ray player ( Samsung 5900, for around 100 Euro).
Definitely the problem is the PS4 itself and his audio processing with blu ray film (but with games audio is ok lol).
Helpful tool for shoppers of a new 4k TV screen:

Here is a 2016 list of TVs that support 5.1 surround audio pass-through via optical cable connecting the TV to Sonos Playbar (Source ->TV ->Sonos Playbar), meaning that the TV can natively pass through the 5.1 audio (Dolby and/or DTS) to Playbar, through the Optical Cable, without downgrading to stereo. The source can be a PC, Blue Ray player, video game console, etc...

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/5-1-surround-audio-passthrough

A more recent and up to date list of 4K TVs with full reviews indicating 5.1 pass-through support can be found here:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd/best

Click on review and scroll down to read about 5.1 pass-through support.

This should enable playing all 5.1 Dolby Digital audio sources on the playbar, with no downgrading to stereo, assuming you have the 5.1 surround hardware in place, with no need for any HDMI switch or Blue Ray player in between.

Sonos Playbar still won't play DTS audio in this case even when delivered at its doorstep due to lack of support, but thought I would save the trouble for those who are looking to buy a new 4k TV screen with native 5.1 Dolby pass-through support via optical cable.

Thoughts?
Helpful tool for shoppers of a new 4k TV screen:

Here is a 2016 list of TVs that support 5.1 surround audio pass-through via optical cable connecting the TV to Sonos Playbar (Source ->TV ->Sonos Playbar), meaning that the TV can natively pass through the 5.1 audio (Dolby and/or DTS) to Playbar, through the Optical Cable, without downgrading to stereo. The source can be a PC, Blue Ray player, video game console, etc...

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/5-1-surround-audio-passthrough

A more recent and up to date list of 4K TVs with full reviews indicating 5.1 pass-through support can be found here:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd/best

Click on review and scroll down to read about 5.1 pass-through support.

This should enable playing all 5.1 Dolby Digital audio sources on the playbar, with no downgrading to stereo, assuming you have the 5.1 surround hardware in place, with no need for any HDMI switch or Blue Ray player in between.

Sonos Playbar still won't play DTS audio in this case even when delivered at its doorstep due to lack of support, but thought I would save the trouble for those who are looking to buy a new 4k TV screen with native 5.1 Dolby pass-through support via optical cable.

Thoughts?


I just bought the samsung KS8000 as shown here (http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd/best). I did my research and I know that my TV supports dolby pass through via optical cable which you can see in the screenshot (My Sonos Info), it says 'Dolby Digital 2.0. I was looking forward to connect my new tv with sonos but the sound quality i am getting is terrible.

My problem is with how LOW the damn sound is when playing content through HULU (smart app in tv). It just doesn't sound like "surround". (I have playbar and 2 play 1's configured as surround. Optical cable is connected from PLAYBAR to samsung 'One connect'.). I need some advice here because this is driving me bonkers !!! I have to turn my sonos volume to 50% or more just to listen dialog and it all seems coming from playbar. When i play radio / itunes music on my sonos via iphone app it sounds amazing. Then why is my TV sound is so crappy even though it is 'Dolby Digital 2.0' and what can i do to fix this ??
Any ideas help would be appreciated ...
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Helpful tool for shoppers of a new 4k TV screen:

Here is a 2016 list of TVs that support 5.1 surround audio pass-through via optical cable connecting the TV to Sonos Playbar (Source ->TV ->Sonos Playbar), meaning that the TV can natively pass through the 5.1 audio (Dolby and/or DTS) to Playbar, through the Optical Cable, without downgrading to stereo. The source can be a PC, Blue Ray player, video game console, etc...

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/5-1-surround-audio-passthrough

Well, I'm pretty sure that Dolby Digital 2.0 is just a stereo signal. That's the reason you're not getting surround.
As far as the lack of volume in the Hulu app, well I don't know what to say about that. I don't use Hulu myself. How do the other apps in your TV work in regards to the volume? If they play louder than that indicates just an issue with Hulu. Maybe you can contact your TV's support team and report this issue?

A more recent and up to date list of 4K TVs with full reviews indicating 5.1 pass-through support can be found here:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd/best

Click on review and scroll down to read about 5.1 pass-through support.

This should enable playing all 5.1 Dolby Digital audio sources on the playbar, with no downgrading to stereo, assuming you have the 5.1 surround hardware in place, with no need for any HDMI switch or Blue Ray player in between.

Sonos Playbar still won't play DTS audio in this case even when delivered at its doorstep due to lack of support, but thought I would save the trouble for those who are looking to buy a new 4k TV screen with native 5.1 Dolby pass-through support via optical cable.

Thoughts?


I just bought the samsung KS8000 as shown here (http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd/best). I did my research and I know that my TV supports dolby pass through via optical cable which you can see in the screenshot (My Sonos Info), it says 'Dolby Digital 2.0. I was looking forward to connect my new tv with sonos but the sound quality i am getting is terrible.

My problem is with how LOW the damn sound is when playing content through HULU (smart app in tv). It just doesn't sound like "surround". (I have playbar and 2 play 1's configured as surround. Optical cable is connected from PLAYBAR to samsung 'One connect'.). I need some advice here because this is driving me bonkers !!! I have to turn my sonos volume to 50% or more just to listen dialog and it all seems coming from playbar. When i play radio / itunes music on my sonos via iphone app it sounds amazing. Then why is my TV sound is so crappy even though it is 'Dolby Digital 2.0' and what can i do to fix this ??
Any ideas help would be appreciated ...
@tom thanks for your response.

It makes sense why there is no surround sound because like you said dolby digital 2.0 is stereo.
I was playing content though Hulu (built in app). I did some research and seems like Netflix has 5.1 dolby digital audio on some movies and tv shows. Does that mean if i play content through netflix I should see 'Dolby Digital 5.1' on my SONOS app as an output ??
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@tom thanks for your response.

It makes sense why there is no surround sound because like you said dolby digital 2.0 is stereo.
I was playing content though Hulu (built in app). I did some research and seems like Netflix has 5.1 dolby digital audio on some movies and tv shows. Does that mean if i play content through netflix I should see 'Dolby Digital 5.1' on my SONOS app as an output ??


It's possible. Assuming you would be playing through the Netflix app on the Samsung TV, then the app needs to support DD 5.1. If it doesn't you just get stereo.
Add another frustrated voice to the list of people annoyed with the lack of DTS support. I have the Samsung UE55F8000S, which I paid nearly £2000 for a couple of years back. It's a fantastic TV but as expected, the built in speaker is a bit lacking so recently I took the plunge and bought the Playbar and 2 x Play 1's for a surround sound setup (glad I haven't splurged on the sub yet!!)

With my TV, at least when the source is HDMI, it can only send either stereo or DTS NEO 2.5. As has been well covered here, stereo is barely any better than the built in speaker, and DTS.....well, we're all painfully aware.

If I use one of the native apps on the TV (i.e. Netflix) I can get it to send Doly Digital but 80% of the TV I watch is through my Sky box which (you guessed it) is connected via HDMI. Currently, I've connected the optical cable directly to my Sky box (which does send DD) but it's a pain in the backside having to re-connect it to the TV when I want to use either Netflix, YouTube or Amazon Prime directly on the TV.

Frankly for a surround system that when you include the sub, costs nearly £1500 I would expect Sonos to support pretty much all the common audio technologies in use, especially one used by one of the (if not the biggest?) TV vendor, Samsung.

Come on Sonos, get this sorted please
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Add another frustrated voice to the list of people annoyed with the lack of DTS support. I have the Samsung UE55F8000S, which I paid nearly £2000 for a couple of years back. It's a fantastic TV but as expected, the built in speaker is a bit lacking so recently I took the plunge and bought the Playbar and 2 x Play 1's for a surround sound setup (glad I haven't splurged on the sub yet!!)

With my TV, at least when the source is HDMI, it can only send either stereo or DTS NEO 2.5. As has been well covered here, stereo is barely any better than the built in speaker, and DTS.....well, we're all painfully aware.

If I use one of the native apps on the TV (i.e. Netflix) I can get it to send Doly Digital but 80% of the TV I watch is through my Sky box which (you guessed it) is connected via HDMI. Currently, I've connected the optical cable directly to my Sky box (which does send DD) but it's a pain in the backside having to re-connect it to the TV when I want to use either Netflix, YouTube or Amazon Prime directly on the TV.

Frankly for a surround system that when you include the sub, costs nearly £1500 I would expect Sonos to support pretty much all the common audio technologies in use, especially one used by one of the (if not the biggest?) TV vendor, Samsung.

Come on Sonos, get this sorted please


What proportion of programmes via Sky are DTS or Dolby Digital +?

I'm guessing somewhere between 0% and 0%


What proportion of programmes via Sky are DTS or Dolby Digital +?

I'm guessing somewhere between 0% and 0%


Quite a few of the Sky HD channels send Dolby 5.1 (I keep checking on the Sonos > About My Sonos > Playbar section)
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What proportion of programmes via Sky are DTS or Dolby Digital +?

I'm guessing somewhere between 0% and 0%


Quite a few of the Sky HD channels send Dolby 5.1 (I keep checking on the Sonos > About My Sonos > Playbar section)


And the Playbar WILL play DD 5.1 brilliantly.


What proportion of programmes via Sky are DTS or Dolby Digital +?

I'm guessing somewhere between 0% and 0%


Quite a few of the Sky HD channels send Dolby 5.1 (I keep checking on the Sonos > About My Sonos > Playbar section)


And the Playbar WILL play DD 5.1 brilliantly.


Is there something you wish to get off your chest sweetheart?