Note that any Google or Amazon connections have to do with the Sonos software system, and not the individual speakers. So the addition of any new countries would not be tied to the release of new speakers. There may be coincidental changes, but they're not tied directly together.
Hi, excited by this announcement, have been hoping for a bluetooth Sonos product for some time.
Could someone answer whether this will work in these circumstances; I often take my One on holiday and most of the time it has been great, as long as I can connect it to the network. For the first time this summer I came across a couple of issues; first was a place with poor wi-fi - presumably this would work well in that scenario as it could switch to bluetooth?
The second issue we had was at a place that needed devices to logon to the network i.e. type an email address etc... in from the device connecting. It also didn't have any spare ethernet ports to connect to, but even if it did, not sure it would work anyway given having to login. So, would we be able to take the Sonos Move to this sort of place and connect to a phone or laptop via bluetooth? I.e. not have to connect via wi-fi at all at this place?
I assumed this would be the case when reading the initial reports (take it to the beach etc...) but reading the rest of this thread made me worry that it would need to be added to a wifi network first.
Also the FAQ mentions that you can't use the sonos app when on bluetooth, but you can use a streaming service app such as Spotify. This is fine, but two questions; I tend not to use streaming services, so can I simply listen to music stored on my phone? And what apps could I use for this; Mediamonkey Android for instance?
Many thanks
I've been scratching my head on this one...
.How to justify two Moves to create a stereo pair (I've already ordered one)
.
The argument against it (IMO) is that the move can only exist in a stereo pair when on Wi-Fi. Which means even if used for an outdoor patio you'll will need a good Wi-Fi signal. Also, looking at Sonos marketing they only seem to be pushing the use of a single Move for outdoors.
Therefore, unless the sound is much more dramatic than two Sonos One's for indoor use why pay an additional $400_USD? If used indoors I'd think they would be more stationary versus moving two Moves around your home. I'm probably missing something so please help me spend my money
Both your scenarios are the same: will it connect to Bluetooth. Yes.
There is a switch on the back which puts it in Bluetooth mode.
Any sound / music application that sends data via Bluetooth can be used. The Sonos at that point is a Bluetooth receiver, and has no idea what is sending the data.
@Airgetlam
I'm not sure we're on the same page on this one
I know it supports BT but not as a stereo pair as per the FAQ's or did I miss something? You're not helping me spend my money as I asked
@AjTrek1, I was answering the post before yours, sorry. Didn’t see your request. Part of the problem of reading/replying while watching TV, ie the page you’ve loaded may be stale.
In reading your comments, I do agree. A stereo pair on the back porch would only be useful if you had WiFi signal there....fairly easy to do in most situations with a WiFi repeater or mesh network puck.
But for use on on the beach, no, I wouldn’t spend the extra money for two.
$400 for one Move seems a bit steep to me especially of you are only planning on using it in BT mode.
Hopefully Ikea will come out with there "LetsMove" version at $199 soon! 🙂
$400 for one Move seems a bit steep to me especially of you are only planning on using it in BT mode.
Hopefully Ikea will come out with there "LetsMove" version at $199 soon! :-)
Not $400 for one Move.
It's $400 upcharge for two Moves versus two Sonos One's. However, $400 for one Move that is battery powered with BT and has the same versatility as a Sonos One isn't out of line IMO. It's much harder to produce the same clarity and responsiveness with a battery powered speaker that rivals its electrically powered sibling or cousin
Cheers!
Sounds like a great addition to the Sonos lineup.
One question regarding bluetooth: Will the Move auto switch when Bluetooth audio starts playing or do i need to go and press the wifi/BT button to switch it over to BT Audio? Thanks!I don’t think so. I would hope not. If that is the case someone who has already paired via BT with the Move could knock you off if you were listening to music over WiFi. If that is the case then I hope Sonos will address it as a counter intuitive feature IMO.
The purpose of the button is to toggle between the modes. You have to manually turn Bluetooth on for the Move to switch over, by pressing the button on it for a few seconds. The light will change to indicate that it's now in Bluetooth mode and not WiFi.
@Majik Is there a reason they couldn't have gone like the Android devices with the controller used to have and just allow it to connect to Sonos net without extending it?
I don't know (which was why I was very specific with my comment "at least if it worked as a node within the mesh").
In my experience when I tried using Sonosnet with my Android controller it didn't always work well. When I moved around (and sometimes when I didn't) it definitely seem to lose connection for short periods which I put down to it reassociating. I eventually turned it off.
I also do wonder if having non-mesh "client" devices on the mesh nodes somehow stresses them in a way that could be detrimental to the mesh.
Cheers,
Keith
Both your scenarios are the same: will it connect to Bluetooth. Yes.
There is a switch on the back which puts it in Bluetooth mode.
Any sound / music application that sends data via Bluetooth can be used. The Sonos at that point is a Bluetooth receiver, and has no idea what is sending the data.
Thanks for your reply Bruce - I guess my worry was the wording on the FAQ; "Once you have set up Move on your WiFi network, press the Bluetooth/WiFi mode button on the back of the speaker to switch to Bluetooth mode."
The first part just indicated to me it had to be setup on wifi first. But this would be crazy, so I'm sure you're right.
Does seem a tad expensive for what would seem to be a One with bluetooth though - appreciate there's more to it than that - although that is what I want!
I am assuming the price of the speaker is high because of the battery. And they purposefully priced it just below the Play 5 because with the Play 5 you can connect a cheap bluetooth receiver to the line in, and have all the bluetooth functionality you want + sonosnet. Too bad they cant just release a cheap sonos one with an audio in jack in the back.
I've been scratching my head on this one....How to justify two Moves to create a stereo pair (I've already ordered one).
The argument against it (IMO) is that the move can only exist in a stereo pair when on Wi-Fi. Which means even if used for an outdoor patio you'll will need a good Wi-Fi signal. Also, looking at Sonos marketing they only seem to be pushing the use of a single Move for outdoors.
Therefore, unless the sound is much more dramatic than two Sonos One's for indoor use why pay an additional $400_USD? If used indoors I'd think they would be more stationary versus moving two Moves around your home. I'm probably missing something so please help me spend my money
I'm thinking along the same lines. I want two, but the lack of stereo pairing bluetooth mode makes it hard to justify. Since pairing bluetooth speakers is rather common, and Sonos would obviously prefer customers buy two, you have to wonder if there's a technical reason it's not supported. Or perhaps it's a feature that just wasn't ready for go live. Maybe they've done market research and pairing doesn't really sell bluetooth speakers?
I suppose the smart thing to do would be to just get one for now, and buy a second later if it makes sense. It looks like my phone is capable of sending audio to two different bluetooth devices (only mono I think), so maybe it's still worth doing? Then again, do I need two of these while on bluetooth away from the house?
I don’t think stereo Bluetooth is yet possible with iOS controller devices, albeit Apple 'may' have made it available to their AirPod headphones (not sure?). I’m hoping it will become available on the new iPhone to be announced on the 10th September (tomorrow).
I think some Samsung devices support dual Bluetooth playback, but not sure if it’s separate stereo channels. There are some Android Apps mentioned online for doing this, but not sure how good they are?
I suspect if this can be achieved, it will perhaps be down to the controlling device and it’s software, rather than the Bluetooth speakers themselves, which will simply play the Bluetooth signal it receives.
I don’t think stereo Bluetooth is yet possible with iOS controller devices, albeit Apple 'may' have made it available to their AirPod headphones (not sure?). I’m hoping it will become available on the new iPhone to be announced on the 10th September (tomorrow).
Do you mean in the sense that left and right channels are sent to the same device? Or do you mean in the sense that an iPhone could be setup to send left channel to one speaker, and right channel to another? I assumed that the former was always the case. The latter, no. It's logical to assume that stereo paired speakers would handle it themselves, with one of the speakers being the master (like what Sonos does with a stereo pair)
I think some Samsung devices support dual Bluetooth playback, but not sure if it’s separate stereo channels. There are some Android Apps mentioned online for doing this, but not sure how good they are?
I just checked and my Galaxy S9 can do 2 bluetooth devices at once. I don't it's separate left and right channels. My S7 cannot.
I suspect if this can be achieved, it will perhaps be down to the controlling device and it’s software, rather than the Bluetooth speakers themselves, which will simply play the Bluetooth signal it receives.
Agreed. I don't think Apple and android have much to gain by setting up two channels/two channels setup. Better to just let the speakers handle it.
Danny,
I don’t believe a user can play to two Bluetooth speakers at the same time (currently) in iOS ... it’s not available on my iPad running iOS 12.4.1 ... I’m not sure what Apple are planning for their announcement tomorrow, but it looks like their users will be able to play to two Bluetooth devices at the same time (I don’t think it is separate left/right channels) probably the 2 stereo channels to both devices, at the same time.
I think Android has recently introduced dual Bluetooth playback and Apple is yet to catch up.
i will guess that if the mobile device supports dual playback over Bluetooth, then the Sonos Move will be able to work with that feature too, assuming it will behave like any other Bluetooth speaker, when in Bluetooth mode.
There’s a slight 'hint' (perhaps) in this Apple link under the title
“And listen to what's coming this fall”...
https://www.apple.com/airpods/
Danny,
I don’t believe a user can play to two Bluetooth speakers at the same time (currently) in iOS ... it’s not available on my iPad running iOS 12.4.1 ... I’m not sure what Apple are planning for their announcement tomorrow, but it looks like their users will be able to play to two Bluetooth devices at the same time (I don’t think it is separate left/right channels) probably the 2 stereo channels to both devices, at the same time.
I think Android has recently introduced dual Bluetooth playback and Apple is yet to catch up.
i will guess that if the mobile device supports dual playback over Bluetooth, then the Sonos Move will be able to work with that feature too, assuming it will behave like any other Bluetooth speaker, when in Bluetooth mode.
That all makes sense. The use case for dual bluetooth speakers is likely for 2 pairs of headphones rather than 2 separate speakers. Like two people trying to watch a movie together on a plan or something like that. Separate channels wouldn't be helpful.
Hi All
As I mentioned in an early post I'd been scratching my head as to whether or not to buy two Moves. The downside being that they will not make a stereo pair in BT mode. Long-story-short I went ahead and purchased two. I have a decent Wi-Fi signal on my deck which is where I'd be using the Move anyway. Not much of a beach/lake guy and I doubt that I'm going to a lot of backyard Bar-B-Q's where I have to provide the speakers for music.
However, I do find it interesting that Sonos omitted the feature to make a stereo pair of the Move when in BT mode. IMO if Sonos didn't want to go completely wireless (
as this speaker does) to create a stereo pair in BT mode they might have considered a wired link via 10-12Foot/3-3.6Meter_3.5mm cable designating the left speaker as director.
Another interesting point I discovered is that it may have been tossed around to make the
Charging Ring a $80_USD option as evidenced by this
CNET review. IMO that would have been a good idea to make the price point more appealing since the Move can be charged using a USB-C cable with power puck.
However, I do understand the rational for not making the Charging Ring optional. Sonos probably wants to re-coop R&D expenditures as quickly as possible. The Charging Ring @ $80 is probably very heavily inflated. BUT...people are more willing to pay for an object that looks more refined/integrated than a simple cable.
Really looking forward to getting my Moves to put them through the paces and report back with my opinion. BTW, I'm putting my two white Play 3's on eBay to offset some of the out-of-pocket cost for the Move's.
Edit: The Charging Ring at $80 (as suggested by the CNET review) is 20% of the Move's cost. Relegating the Charging Ring to an optional accessory reduces the cost of the Move to $319.20 or as a more sellable retail price point of $320.99. That makes the move an almost 1 to 1 replacement at price point for the Play 3 which sold at $299. In the words of the late Arte Johnson..."
Very Interesting"
Cheers!
However, I do understand the rational for not making the Charging Ring optional. Sonos probably wants to re-coop R&D expenditures as quickly as possible. The Charging Ring @ $80 is probably very heavily inflated. BUT...people are more willing to pay for an object that looks more refined/integrated than a simple cable.
I'm enjoying your posts on the Move but you are slowly talking me in to buying one
The Ring is key for me as it can be grabbed and go, our current POS Anker Bluetooth speaker is never charged when I want it. But I still have a couple blocks.
What do you think about the weight of this thing and casual portability? 6 pounds or so right? is this still easy, grab and go weight or is this a little heavy to be carrying around on hikes, bikes and other human powered trips?
I would want to take it to the dock and out on the sailboat and kayaks but I think the IP rating is too low to risk or am I reading it wrong? The POS Anker with it's IP X7 rating
might need to stay.
What do you think about the weight of this thing and casual portability? 6 pounds or so right? is this still easy, grab and go weight or is this a little heavy to be carrying around on hikes, bikes and other human powered trips?
I would want to take it to the dock and out on the sailboat and kayaks but I think the IP rating is too low to risk or am I reading it wrong? The POS Anker with it's IP X7 rating might need to stay.
At six pounds a casual move from the Charging Ring IMO isn't going to qualify as a work-out; but neither will it exhaust you. Transporting the move in a back-pack while hiking or bike riding really depends upon the length/distance to the destination point. Six pounds can be very annoying if it adds to your normal gear or worst dictates removing essential gear.
The IP rating isn't for salt water. Kayaking while rough at times on rapids may not be the best mode of transportation. While the Move is capable of a drop from 6 feet (as per official and un-official media) a constant rough buffering may not be in it's interest. IMO speakers designed for marine use are better suited for boating and/or heavy water excursions.
PS. Glad you're enjoying the posts...but don't blame me for spending YOUR money
Cheers!
Can't wait !!! Pre-ordered the first day you were able to do so.... Now my daughter will be happy with a Bluetooth speaker out by our pool. Excellent MOVE (Pardon the Pun) by Sonos. Speaker #11
Hi All
As I mentioned in an early post I'd been scratching my head as to whether or not to buy two Moves. The downside being that they will not make a stereo pair in BT mode. Long-story-short I went ahead and purchased two. I have a decent Wi-Fi signal on my deck which is where I'd be using the Move anyway. Not much of a beach/lake guy and I doubt that I'm going to a lot of backyard Bar-B-Q's where I have to provide the speakers for music.
If you took it to the beach/lake/park or some other public space, a single mono speaker might be prefered anyway. You aren't going to want too much volume since it's a public space and there may not be such a clearly defined listening area. I'd still prefer it, but it's not as important as in a standard indoor room setting to me.
However, I do find it interesting that Sonos omitted the feature to make a stereo pair of the Move when in BT mode. IMO if Sonos didn't want to go completely wireless (as this speaker does) to create a stereo pair in BT mode they might have considered a wired link via 10-12Foot/3-3.6Meter_3.5mm cable designating the left speaker as director.
Would that mean that the channel would have to be converted from digital to analog, then back again? If this was considered, I would guess it wasn't done since customers may get confused and believe this was needed even in wifi mode, or that an extra accessory purchase would annoy customers. And of course, you don't want cables with your wireless speakers.
Another interesting point I discovered is that it may have been tossed around to make the Charging Ring a $80_USD option as evidenced by this CNET review. IMO that would have been a good idea to make the price point more appealing since the Move can be charged using a USB-C cable with power puck.
That would have been interesting. I hope the charging ring does get included as an accessory as I bet people will be interested in purchasing a extra. If you have a second home for example, it would be convenient to have a ring in both places. Personally, I want to a see a charging ring integrated with a wall mount accessory.
However, I do understand the rational for not making the Charging Ring optional. Sonos probably wants to re-coop R&D expenditures as quickly as possible. The Charging Ring @ $80 is probably very heavily inflated. BUT...people are more willing to pay for an object that looks more refined/integrated than a simple cable.
It could be a matter of perception too. Sometimes are turned off when an accessory option is given that they feel should be included in the cost.
Really looking forward to getting my Moves to put them through the paces and report back with my opinion. BTW, I'm putting my two white Play 3's on eBay to offset some of the out-of-pocket cost for the Move's.
For me, it's a matter of not having any more places in and out of the house to put Sonos speakers. the Move will likely go in the garage, freeing up the Connect:amp to add more speakers to the back yard.
Edit: The Charging Ring at $80 (as suggested by the CNET review) is 20% of the Move's cost. Relegating the Charging Ring to an optional accessory reduces the cost of the Move to $319.20 or as a more sellable retail price point of $320.99. That makes the move an almost 1 to 1 replacement at price point for the Play 3 which sold at $299. In the words of the late Arte Johnson..."Very Interesting"
Cheers!
I can't watch youtube while at work, but was $80 what Sonos would charge for the device separately, or the actual cost? I would guess is that the cost is lower, as you're suggesting, and Sonos is taking less profit from including the ring as they would for selling the ring separately. I'd say that if the Move didn't come with a ring, the price of the Move would still be at least $350.
The Ring is key for me as it can be grabbed and go, our current POS Anker Bluetooth speaker is never charged when I want it. But I still have a couple blocks
To be clear...I wasn't advocating against the Charging Ring...I think it looks cool.
However, having the revelation that it can be charged via a simple USB-C cable and power puck and still maintain the grab n' go aspect (to an acceptable degree); IMO it would have been nice to have had a choice. (i.e. Charging Ring or USB-C cable with power puck).
In the end I probably would have gone for the Charging Ring just to have the complete package....then again $160 in my pocket would have been great!
Edit: Sonos would not have to include the power puck with the 3.5mm USB-C cable. Sennheiser for example sells a $300 set of wireless ear buds that charge by USB-C. Only the cable is provided. The purchaser has to provide the power puck.
Cheers!
