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  • Lyricist III
  • January 22, 2020

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/11/21/sonos-ceo-patrick-spence-on-earnings-and-growth.html

Patrick Spences says…..

1:38….”37% of Sonos sales comes from existing customers adding on to their systems”. 

1:53….”Unlike anybody else in the industry. People don’t replace our products, they actually add onto them year after year after year…..”.

 

“We know when we are in somebodies home. They are going to come back and buy more”. 

 

 

 


  • Lyricist II
  • January 22, 2020

At this point, I have a house full of Play 1's, Play 3's as rears to a Playbase, a ZP90 that takes care of my living room/outdoor speakers and a Gen 2 play 5 that all look like they'll be on the chopping block next. The only stuff I think is okay for a bit are the several Ones & the Beam I own. 

I can't invest any new money into the system. Not at this ridiculous 30% off upgrade. I just started buying Sonos products in 2017. The percentage should be 30% of the retail cost of the unit if you're upgrading something. I would consider that to future proof, but 30% off of retail is just insulting. 

Told my wife last night about the 30% off option and she said, “we’re done with Sonos”.

Sonos doesn't realize they just killed the brand yesterday. 2 days ago I would be telling everyone I know to get this product. I showed it off every time people came to our house. Today? I'm warning them to steer clear of it and looking to sell an entire house worth of speakers. I'd rather recoup what I can while I can than invest in a company that thinks 30% off is some kind of incentive. 

And for the record, I bought my ZP90 in 2017 but it was manufactured during the Legacy period. I didn't realize I should be looking at manufacture dates on these products as I bought them. I got 2 years out of it. Shame on you, Sonos. 


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  • Trending Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

 

A few months ago, we lost the ability to play music from our iPhones in the Sonos app.  Sonos blamed Apple for this move.  To maintain this functionality, I was told to purchase two new Sonos speakers with AirPlay2 capability which would feed the entire system.  I thought it was a worthwhile investment to keep my two systems going and to preserve this functionality.  I did not mind the upgrade although it cost me some money and irritation (the old way was much simpler).   5 months later, and now I’m being told that a huge chunk of my system needs to be ditched and upgraded.  Hmmmmm…….I believed Sonos then when they blamed Apple for the loss of functionality in being unable to play my music directly from the Sonos app.  Now…...I’m not so sure.  Kind of feel like a sucker….

This is exactly what I did.  Since Christmas I have bought two Sonos Ones, two Play 5s and two Beams from Costco.  I figured I could keep using my older units now that I’ve spent a couple a grand “upgrading” as Sonos told us we SHOULD do.  That seems like an outright lie from Sonos now.  Just so you know Sonos, the six new units are going back to Costco.  
The sad part of all this is my new house came with a new Legrand sound system installed.  I unhooked all the Legrand stuff and upgraded my Sonos system.  Well, back to Legrand and out with Sonos.  You suck you bunch of dirty thieves!


  • Lyricist II
  • January 22, 2020

To say I am upset to be told my bridge and two Play 5s will no longer be supported is an understatement.  I was unaware this would happen when I purchased these items. I use Sonos every day. I also have three Play3s and a Play1. I have been a good customer, spending hundreds of dollars to have a system I love and to support you. But I must say, one significant downside to the system is I can only play supported services  because of a lack of Bluetooth connectivity. Once my Sonos system is rendered inoperative by your changes, I will be shifting to a system that does support Bluetooth. Why should I purchase new equipment, even with a 30% discount, when this will happen again in a few years. Seriously disappointed.

 

Randall Wheeler

Versailles, Kentucky


https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/11/21/sonos-ceo-patrick-spence-on-earnings-and-growth.html

Patrick Spences says…..

1:38….”37% of Sonos sales comes from existing customers adding on to their systems”. 

1:53….”Unlike anybody else in the industry. People don’t replace our products, they actually add onto them year after year after year…..”.

 

“We know when we are in somebodies home. They are going to come back and buy more”. 

 

 

Private equity KKR is hungry

 


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  • Contributor I
  • January 22, 2020

This is complete and absolute BS…

 

I was an early adopter...suffered through enumerable software / usability upgrades...was part of a beta testing team (for free / no compensation)...have sonos in every room of the house...9 zones and was considering more…

 

Never even bothered looking around previously...just added more products…

 

Nothing like getting F***** for being a loyal customer and advocate...I just replaced a unit via your service and interestingly enough, you recommended a product that would be “legacy” by May… well played...What a crock of absolute sh!t

 


  • Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

I have 5 Sonos play 5s, 4 connects and a playbar. Like many people, I’ve heavily invested in this brand and system, only to be told that I have to bin the 5 play 5s for the system to work. I just can’t get over the wastefulness of this strategy. I wouldn’t be anywhere near as pissed off if Sonos announced they were taking them all in to reuse or upgrade and resell. But to ask thousands of customer to “recycle” these products when we know our planet is burning is just criminal. I am now looking for alternatives to run a hybrid system and then when the connects die move away from Sonos.  That they would do this shows there is no point being loyal to a toxic brand. 


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  • Lyricist III
  • January 22, 2020

I have always been your ambassador, convincing 2 friends and my father to go for a Sonos system.

Now i regret this.   Shame on you!

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  • Trending Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

Question for tech folks on this thread: 

Can you imagine a creative solution where some type of inexpensive dongle could be attached to the older legacy devices with enough processing and memory to enable ongoing updates? Maybe leveraging Raspberry Pi or similar? Not sure how the I/O would work with the Sonos component?

 


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  • Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

Interesting how a simple press release can change your view about a corporation. I do like my Sonos setup, it fits my needs and I’ve been an enthusiastic promoter / supporter of the brand. This announcement means that 3 of the most expensive of my Sonos components will be on life support and will likely affect the overall stability / performance of my sound system and components (8).

It’s interesting to read that Sonos compares their products to iPhone when I personally see them as speakers. I believe that Sonos has lost touch with their customers. A sad story!

My position, unless Sonos changed, is

  • Will stop buying Sonos product
  • Will stop recommending Sonos products
  • I will stick with my current devices but if my system become unstable / unusable I will likely change brand.

An unhappy customer


  • Contributor I
  • January 22, 2020

Are they really suggesting you move from a Play5 to a Move?  that’s what the trade in comparison shows at the moment, connect to plug, connect:amp to amp, and Play5 to Move….

Not that I was going to, really not… but eh?


  • Enthusiast I
  • January 22, 2020

Did anyone from Sonos tell IKEA about this?

IKEA have 433 stores around the world selling the new Symfonisk speakers made in conjunction with SONOS when will they become legacy?

This could be trouble!

I’m sure that around one billion customers who visited IKEA stores in 2019 won’t be buying them when they find out!


  • Contributor I
  • January 22, 2020

I’m absolutely fuming you no longer supporting the old products to which I have spent thousands of pounds on!!!! Are you now say they wouldn’t work at all after the next updates!!!!!!


  • Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

Want to add my disappointment at this course of action by Sonos. 

 

Been a play:5 user for the past 6 years, absolutely love Sonos products, and regularly recommend them to friends. Working in the tech industry I fully understand that software support is finite, but to hold the user hostage from using new speakers with legacy ones is madness. 

Very disappointed! It also begs the question just how long will the new devices be supported for and this happens all over again!? 

 


Like many many others around here, I’m out thousands of dollars.  Sonos is dead to me and I will never recommend their product ever again. In fact, I will do the opposite...

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!

 

“Planned obsolescence, or built-in obsolescence, in industrial design and economics is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life, so that it becomes obsolete (i.e., unfashionable, or no longer functional) after a certain period of time.”


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  • Enthusiast I
  • January 22, 2020

Please can you explain why you misled people by saying only 10 weeks ago on Twitter that “We have no plans to suddenly make these devices obsolete. We're simply offering our users an eco-friendly way to upgrade their older players.” 

 


  • Contributor I
  • January 22, 2020

Absolutely shocking- and have you seen the filing? They know what customers expect, and know this will damage them, but go ahead anyway. Sonos lost me as a customer, and if I had stock I would be offloading it immediately.


In the last 5 years, I’ve spent nearly $6,000 on Sonos devices. After their last stunt, deprecating most functionality from the Windows app, making it impossible for me to do most functions (although not the usual common ones) unless I buy an Android device and install there… this is a bit ridiculous. I hope some competitor swoops in to grab all these Sonos customers looking for a company that actually cares about their customers. YES, I would glady spend another $6k to get OUT of the Sonos environment, and into one that does exactly what Sonos did 2 years ago, when all the devices worked, were supported, and I could do everything from my computer. They really did it this time.


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  • Lyricist II
  • January 22, 2020

Calling in artillery on yourself, Sonos?  Welcome to someone’s business school case study of dumb management decisions. It takes years to earn customer enthusiasm for a product, and one email to turn that completely into the opposite direction. 
 

Truly amazing.
 

I have 14 products over 2 homes. My primary home has 5 out of 6 products that are affected. None are affected in the vacation home.  I was thinking about buying a Move that I could take between primary and vacation house. What happens when I drop in a product that has updates into a system has legacy equipment.

What happens if I want or need to replace a product in my legacy system?  Do products that ship later in the year cause a problem in a system laced with legacy equipment 

 

if I decide to roll the dice and not upgrade my gear, and in a year or two I need to replace a piece of hardware, will the discount still be around?  How long will it be offered? 

 

I can’t add anything that has been said already, so count me among those who are extremely upset with this news. Replacing 3 connects, 1 zone amp, and one play 5 is a check I don’t want to write. BluSound please offer a carrot to Sonos users. 


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  • Renowned Enthusiast I
  • January 22, 2020

Please can you explain why you misled people by saying only 10 weeks ago on Twitter that “We have no plans to suddenly make these devices obsolete. We're simply offering our users an eco-friendly way to upgrade their older players.” 

 

The same type of reply was repeated by Sonos employees and syncophants hundreds of times in these forums when this issue came up repeatedly re recycle program.


melvimbe
  • January 22, 2020

Did anyone from Sonos tell IKEA about this?

IKEA have 433 stores around the world selling the new Symfonisk speakers made in conjunction with SONOS when will they become legacy?

This could be trouble!

I’m sure that around one billion customers who visited IKEA stores in 2019 won’t be buying them when they find out!

 

Why?  The IKEA speakers are supported.  I’m sure there are some with legacy products and IKEA, but I’m not sure what is unique about that group of customers.  Are you implying that potential IKEA customers are going to assume that their IKEA  speakers will lose support 5 years from now, with a 30% discount on buying a replacement,  and that will drive them away?   


  • Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

I wonder how long this has been in the works? I take it the ‘recycle mode’ was contained in an update. Anyway that’s me finished with Sonos.

 


  • Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020
someone who can recommend the best system to replace my Sonos. It will definitely not be Sonos again. Arhh maybe we should start a new thread about this? 

  • Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

This makes me much less likely to buy Sonos products. I was considering buying a Sub but won’t do that now and have just spoken to a colleague who was considering buying a full Sonos system for his new house but, following this announcement, probably won’t be doing so.

 

Who would spend thousands of pounds on high quality audio kit in the knowledge that it may well have a lifespan of only a few years?

 

I also can’t see the technical justification. It seems like a way for Sonos to try to force people to buy new products.


  • Lyricist I
  • January 22, 2020

Question for tech folks on this thread: 

Can you imagine a creative solution where some type of inexpensive dongle could be attached to the older legacy devices with enough processing and memory to enable ongoing updates? Maybe leveraging Raspberry Pi or similar? Not sure how the I/O would work with the Sonos component?

 

All this is pending your taste in quality of music…. If you care more about money instead of quality, then….If replacing a Connect:Amps or a dedicated Sonos speaker like the Play1,3,5, I’d recommend getting a $30 Echo Dot to control and zone them with a 3.5mm output going into a separate $30 amp like this cheap one from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Bluetooth-Stereo-Mini-Amplifier/dp/B07W46QV5J?ref_=BSellerC&pf_rd_p=c305f8d1-9b05-501e-84a5-d05e840f2085&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-6&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=537344&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=ZAYZXRC7KK1GH76HTKMQ&pf_rd_r=ZAYZXRC7KK1GH76HTKMQ&pf_rd_p=c305f8d1-9b05-501e-84a5-d05e840f2085

 

The Echo Dot doesn’t have ALL the streaming services and quality that the Sonos has, but it has voice control, and at least it’s a less expensive device if/when it gets left behind like this again. A standalone amp and speakers will last until they die. Obviously, get a better amp if you like better quality, YMMV.

 

If replacing a Connect, then all you really need is the Echo Dot with the 3.5mm output. Bought on their normal sales, you could buy around 15 Echo Dots for one Sonos:Connect. Let that sink in….

 

They may go out of date over time as well, but at least you’re only replacing a $30 streaming device. Lesson learned.