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Contributor I
October 4, 2017

Sonos vs Heos

  • October 4, 2017
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I currently have a couple of Play 1's around the house and a Playbar in the living room, with two Play 1's as rear surrounds. As has been covered to death on this forum, Sonos will not (or cannot due to hardware limitations) support any surround formats other than Dolby Digital 5.1. As is also well understood, the vast majority of Blu Ray discs and streaming services output in DD 5.1 HD or DTS, and most TVs do not transcode, which makes my rear speakers pretty much useless as far as true surround sound goes.

I've looked at Heos in the past but never took any real interest as although it had everything the Playbar lacked, the one thing it couldn't do was support rear surround. It appears that the recently released Heos Bar can pair with any of the other speakers in the Heos range to use as rear surrounds. On paper, it looks perfect, as it has the two things that the PlayBar has always lacked: HDMI and support for modern audio codecs.

In practice though, have any Sonos owners actually heard the new Heos Bar and can compare it to the PlayBar? I've always been very impressed with the PlayBar's sound, even without a sub, and need to know if Heos can match it. Also, how do the two apps compare? The Sonos app is generally very good, and I have heard in the past that the Heos app is a bit klunky by comparison, but that was at least a year ago. Maybe I should be asking this on a Denon forum and not Sonos, as anyone who has jumped ship will likely not be reading these forums any more, but I thought it worth a shot.

While I appreciate any and all comments, I'm really only interested in hearing from people who can give an honest comparison between the two systems based on personal experience.

With respect, what I don't need to hear is how I can fix my existing system. Yes, I know that Blu Ray players are available that will transcode to Dolby Digital 5.1. Yes, I know that HDMI to optical converters are available. Yes, I know that the PlayBar will do virtual surround. However, like many others, I have been patiently awaiting to release of an upgraded PlayBar with the basic features (i.e. HDMI and more codecs) that are a necessity when using the PlayBar for surround sound in 2017, and to me at least, the SoundBase release was a huge disappointment.

The truth is that I can't really afford to replace my system right now, but I have lost faith in Sonos to release a new PlayBar any time soon, and I can see the resale value of my system completely tanking over the coming year as competitors have caught up with and even overtaken Sonos, so now is the time to act. If, from a sonic and UI perspective, Heos is a realistic competitor to Sonos, I will probably end up buying it.
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Prodigy I
October 4, 2017
I can see the resale value of my system completely tanking over the coming year as competitors have caught up with and even overtaken Sonos

Thanks, I needed a laugh.
D33p5t3r
Collaborator II
October 4, 2017
I have heard the HEOS Home Cinema bar (which is just a soundbar+sub), and it sounds good. I can't really get any more detailed as it was just in a demo room, but nothing sounded off to me. I haven't, however, heard the newer HEOS Bar which I guess is the closest Playbar competitor (and can be connected up for 5.1).

I'm kitting out a family member's living room and have to make this exact decision. It came down to these things:

(1) HEOS maxes out at TrueHD/DTS-HD. From everything I can see, the streaming services, Sky, BT etc have all gone from adopting DD5.1 straight to Atmos. Now Atmos is backward compatible, but it really doesn't make sense to me to adopt something that seems to accept all sound formats, but doesn't decode the newer one "properly".

(2) The fact that HEOS isn't widely used grates on me a bit. I feel like there is way more chance that Sonos adopts new music services and gets them quicker rather than Denon.

(3) Pricing - I got a Sonos+Connect:Amp quoted versus the equivalent Denon, and it was about £50 cheaper. If it was 200-300 less, then I would consider, but given the price difference there's really no incentive for me to go for it.
Sony 55XE9305 4K TV | Sonos Beam | Sonos Amp | Apple TV (2nd Gen) | Monitor Audio CT-165 Ceiling Speakers
Contributor I
October 5, 2017
Thanks D33p5t3r, that's given me a few things to think about. I'm not so sure about your first point, given that your options are basically the PlayBar with wireless rears offering downmixed stereo (so the rears are just expensive bookends), or Heos with wireless rears offering true 5 channel surround downmixed from an Atmos source. That said, Sonos is undoubtedly cheaper than Heos - certainly, in the UK, the Heos Bar is anywhere between £50 to £100 more than a Sonos PlayBar depending on where you look. There's also the issue of uptake with Heos, and I guess that's why I'm looking for user opinions. The Bar has only been out a few months in the UK and, although there are a few professional reviews that paint it in a good light, I always prefer to hear from people who have actually used the product for more than a couple of weeks and really gotten to know it.

I think I probably need to wait it out a couple of months and see what happens with Heos prices. If they come down to match Sonos then it makes the decision a little more clear-cut. I also need to factor in that I have a device that needs a line input, which my current Sonos setup doesn't give me. I could buy a Connect or a Play 5 to get access to a line input, but that's at least another £300 plus the commitment to stick with Sonos. If I go the Heos route, even a Heos 1 will give me a line input, and I could get two of them for the price of a Connect, giving me an extra stereo zone.
Shepdog
December 17, 2017
I’m a new owner of Sonus products as well. I have two player 1 speakers and I’m very happy with the quality and sound. Before purchasing I strongly considered HEOS, Bluesound and Paradigm. I chose Sonos on the recommendation of a dealer of does extensive installs and cost. He stated at this time Sonos is the most trouble free system as far as callbacks. I already have a dedicated home theater with fairly nice gear,so I did not pay close attention to the specifics of the PlayBar in comparison to its competition. My plan was to add a second surround setup in the master bedroom. The decoding issue has me in a holding pattern. I would love to purchase more speakers but I don’t want to commit if this issue is never addressed. Here in the US the prices are basically the same, actually cheaper if you buy from the Denon refrub site.

Hopefully something will be announced at CES
Lyricist II
December 24, 2017
I have heard the HEOS Home Cinema bar

Heos Home Cinema SoundBar and Heos Bar are two different, completely different devices the former costing almost a half less of the latter.
chicks
December 24, 2017
Heos just lost a major patent infringement lawsuit to Sonos in a jury trial. I wouldn’t count on Heos continuing to be available.
Lyricist II
December 24, 2017
Heos just lost a major patent infringement lawsuit to Sonos in a jury trial. I wouldn’t count on Heos continuing to be available.

Can you please paste any link to this info?
chicks
December 24, 2017
Heos just lost a major patent infringement lawsuit to Sonos in a jury trial. I wouldn’t count on Heos continuing to be available.

Can you please paste any link to this info?


https://www.strata-gee.com/sonos-injunction-stop-heos-infringing-technology/
Lyricist II
December 24, 2017
Can you please paste any link to this info?

https://www.strata-gee.com/sonos-injunction-stop-heos-infringing-technology/[/quote]

Thank you. I think it's going to take some time to settle this, needless to mention the patents are territorial, so another legal battle in e.g. EU may be pending and take even longer. On the other hand I don't believe any judge would just rule to discontinue a product. So overall, I guees it's just a matter of determining royalties for Sonos. I know they want Heos out, but would Denon risk all its reputation to merely copy Sonos technology? I believe this case is not that simple. We'll see anyway.
Shepdog
December 31, 2017
Well I received a Play 5 for Christmas so I’m fully in the Sonos camp. I did listen to the Heos stuff last week and it sounds good. Really good. However I love Sonos. Will probably be adding more products soon