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Contributor I
October 14, 2024
Question

Will Ace support audio swap with other speakers?

  • October 14, 2024
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Hello.  Apologies if this has been asked already (I did look but couldn’t immediately see if this was already asked)…..

I would be grateful if someone (ideally Sonos themselves) can detail whether or not the Ace will ever be given an audio swap feature with non soundbar speakers?

I have a pair of One’s on my desk and I would love to be able to, at times, send the audio to my headphones in a seamless way.  A couple of use cases for this;

  • Transferring audio from speakers to headphones when it gets late and the wife/kids go to bed.  I have an open ‘office’ area, so cannot listen to speaker music later in the evening without disturbing others
  • Transferring audio from the speakers to the headphones when I want to do a burst of focus work and prefer the audio more ‘direct’ - rather than just blasting music from the speakers

The point is for the transition to be seamless - i.e. just re-direct an existing playlist / radio station / song from one audio output to another.

Currently if I do this, I need to stop the Sonos player (I use the macOS app for this) and then swap to my phone, launch the specific app I need (e.g. Apple Music / Spotify / Radio station app) and play out via Bluetooth.  This is cumbersome with lots of steps involved.

Personally, I think the TV audio swap capability should be widened out; why should it be limited to consumers sitting on the sofa in front of the TV?  I think plenty of people are stationary (i.e. those working from home) and are near non-soundbar speakers.  This would really help bridge the gap between a fully fledged WiFi headphone (which we know the Ace are not) and the ability to at least seamlessly switch from speaker to headphone in some scenarios (i.e. when the consumer is stationary).

 

Is there a technical reason why the Ace could not work with the other speakers, or is it purely a product/Sonos decision to limit this?

 

Thanks!

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15 replies

Airgetlam
October 14, 2024

I wouldn’t expect such a thing, unless potentially the speakers in question have a Bluetooth transmitter in them. I suspect that’s the way that the soundbars ‘send’ the data to the Ace, but I’m fairly sure my PLAY:1s (for instance) were designed way before the concept occurred to Sonos, and do not have Bluetooth transmitters in them. 

But I suspect it may be possible with the Era 100/300s, possibly, but likely not near the top of the priority list for implementation. I do like the idea, I suspect there would need to be some code involved to even see if it were possible, though. 

Bruce
AjTrek1
October 14, 2024

OK….I’m not a Sonos employee of any sort. 

Currently all communication to the Ace is via the 5Ghz channel generated by the appropriate soundbar in the same manner as surrounds and sub receive information when bonded to a Sonos soundbar. For the Ace that means movie and music audio. 

Extending that capability to other Sonos speakers would depend upon connection in the same manner over a 5Ghz channel which obviously speakers used as surrounds have a 5Ghz card. However, having a 5Ghz card is not the only factor…sufficient memory must be available in those speakers to process the information. At this point no one in this community knows what amount of memory is required. If some do know they aren’t saying and Sonos doesn’t share information about future updates and products until just before they are released.

So…we can only hope 😊

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Airgetlam
October 14, 2024

Apologies…I think it’s the same issue, either way. I don’t think all Sonos speakers have the ability to ‘send’ out a signal to the Ace, only some of them. I ‘think’ there is a limit, based on hardware and age of design, along with other aspects mentioned above, that would limit the ability of a Sonos speaker in connecting with the Ace. 

Perhaps you can tell, I’m also not a Sonos employee ;) 

Bruce
Collaborator II
October 14, 2024

 Beam Gen 1 supports audio swap, but Amp doesn’t. Amp is newer than Beam 1. Specs don’t really correspond to product price or ability in Sonos world,
 

Airgetlam
October 15, 2024

But I’d think the electronics inside are different, since they’re designed for essentially different purposes. I’ve not opened either of them to look at chipsets, either, perhaps you have better knowledge than I. 

Bruce
Collaborator II
October 15, 2024

But I’d think the electronics inside are different, since they’re designed for essentially different purposes. I’ve not opened either of them to look at chipsets, either, perhaps you have better knowledge than I. 

Why would you think that? We know Sonos uses the same chip with different products … it’s listed in the product pages. 

Airgetlam
October 15, 2024

Sorry, I think I missed where they list the chipsets in each speaker. Can you point me at this data? I may be looking at different listings than you are. 

Bruce
BroomTechAuthor
Contributor I
October 15, 2024

Thanks for the responses.  I am not technical enough to know what is inside the speakers (assuming this information is even public knowledge) and whether, as has been pointed out above, non soundbar speakers have the correct hardware configuration to support such a feature.

@Marco.B / @Corry P - are you able to shed any light on this query?  I am not looking for confirmation of a feature to be released, but more of an acknowledgment whether it is technically possible or not.

Until I know whether these could, one day, work as I’ve always hoped they would, I am unlikely to purchase these (perhaps I would if there is a great offer on! :) )

Corry P
Sonos Staff
October 16, 2024

Hi @BroomTech 

I did have this conversation with an engineer a while ago. As I understand it, it is technically possible. However, unlike with sharing audio with a soundbar where you are unlikely to leave the immediate area in front of the TV screen, if you were able to stream audio from a non-Home-Theatre product, there is nothing keeping you near that speaker, and if you were to wander, it is expected that the audio would soon start to stutter and suffer playback issues.

Basically, it’s seen as a better solution to have a mobile device provide the computational power to supply your Ace headphones with a music stream, seeing as the mobile device will likely go with you wherever you take your headphones anyway.

So, I think it fair to say that the proposed feature is technically feasible, but we are not currently considering it. Our focus instead has been on delivering rock-solid Bluetooth performance and Home Theatre experiences. We are open to feedback, of course.

I hope this helps.

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melvimbe
October 16, 2024

Hi @BroomTech 

I did have this conversation with an engineer a while ago. As I understand it, it is technically possible. However, unlike with sharing audio with a soundbar where you are unlikely to leave the immediate area in front of the TV screen, if you were able to stream audio from a non-Home-Theatre product, there is nothing keeping you near that speaker, and if you were to wander, it is expected that the audio would soon start to stutter and suffer playback issues.

 

 

I don’t see the range limitation as a reason to not implement the feature though.  Consumers should generally understand that any wireless technology is going to have a range limitation and plan accordingly.  The fact that customers have to go into the app and pair Ace to a Sonos room should reinforce that understanding.

Basically, it’s seen as a better solution to have a mobile device provide the computational power to supply your Ace headphones with a music stream, seeing as the mobile device will likely go with you wherever you take your headphones anyway.

 

 

Why not let consumers have the ability to choose what solution works for them?  Personally, I like Sonos radio, and I can’t get Sonos radio via a phone app and bluetooth, so it’s not a viable solution for me.  There are also times when I start music playback in a Sonos room and want to continue playback on headphones.  This is not an option, even when swapping with a soundbar since you can only swap TV audio.  I don’t have a turntable or other aux sources, but this is another scenario where bluetooth isn’t an option (unless your aux source also transmits bluetooth)

So, I think it fair to say that the proposed feature is technically feasible, but we are not currently considering it. Our focus instead has been on delivering rock-solid Bluetooth performance and Home Theatre experiences. We are open to feedback, of course.

I hope this helps.

 

Prioritizing features makes sense, but I don’t think you can conclude that the feature isn’t needed or desired by consumers because bluetooth is available.

Danny