Ace Headphones - no system integration !!

This feedback is spot on. Should have been /should be easily doable. Would have expected operation similar to the Move, with both Wifi and blue tooth connectivity. What a lost opportunity.

Otherwise these are just another set of blue tooth noise cancelling headphones that sound as good as they can. The problem is this is an already crowded market. The Sonos product doesn't really jump out...

The Move battery weighs more than the headphones themselves.  Not saying that’s the reason, but comparing the headphones to the Roam is probably a better comparison. 

There is a post somewhere which I can't find again saying that the Sonos board are betting the company on the new headphones. 

Based on this review from a pretty well-regarded journal I wouldn't be putting my money on that 

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/sonos-ace-vs-bose-quietcomfort-ultra-headphones-how-do-they-compare

The conclusion was "No contest" on all four criteria they assessed. In favour of Bose. 

'Nuff said.

WhatHiFi is one of the last reviews I would trust.  They are an “audiophile” site, full of flowery prose and not much more.  They are also beholden to the companies that take out shiny ads on their pages.  I would sooner trust Consumer Reports, or some of the more independent YouTube reviewers than that old school bastion of audiophile press. 

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This sort of review must worry the punters…

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/sonos-ace-vs-bose-quietcomfort-ultra-headphones-how-do-they-compare

They found Bose to be the winner on every criterion they looked at. No contest.

What Hi-Fi are not ‘well regarded’ 😂. Quite the opposite.

Atlas Equator Optical review | What Hi-Fi? (whathifi.com)

‘Its presentation is composed, giving the music a feel of confidence.

But the experience feels a little flat, because the cable robs the bass of drive and takes out some of the excitement.’

It’s a TOSlink cable. It’s digital. It can’t ‘rob the bass of drive’, because all it’s doing is sending a binary signal from one device to another. Whoever told you that What Hi-Fi is ‘well regarded’ is a mug.

@jreddaway Here’s another cracker for you from the What Hi-Fi gang:

Wireworld Stratus 52 review | What Hi-Fi? (whathifi.com)

Connect this cable to a TV, and the image is sharper, bolder and more detailed.

The improvement over the standard cables provided with TVs is clear, as is the Wireworld's obvious advantage over all but the very best at this price level. This is a great cable for the money and well worth a punt.

It’s a mains cable…

‘Well regarded’, he says!

Yes, any publication that describes the output of digital audio cables (or any cable properly made) with the words “confidence”, “drive” or “excitement” isn’t worthy of lining a birdcage. 

“No contest” indeed, if you don’t count the contest of who can write the most unscientific audio review meant to suck in the gullible with ridiculous claims.  WhatHiFi and Stereophile are living proof that a fool and his money are soon parted. 

Whilst I get your point about What Hifi and their imaginative cable reviews. I get the impression that any publication that gives the ACE a bad review would be put on the ‘not to be trusted list’ whilst any posting positive reviews will be a thoroughly respected journals beyond question.

Not true at all.  If Consumer Reports gave it a bad review, I’d certainly trust them.  At least as much as I trust them for any other specialty electronics (meaning sometimes they test things outside their areas of expertise).  A legit objective testing site or compiled reviews of all types of users via Amazon or AVS and other enthusiasts’ forums would be trusted also.  What I’m not trusting are places like WhatHiFi and Stereophile, which are known snake oil peddlers with an obvious pattern of talking up their advertisers (and they don’t even try to hide it).