A huge step backward--what are you guys thinking?

No, it's petty. And you gave requirements that are not achievable without the scenario I've outlined. I'm sorry, stating "if it's impractical, then they should pick some other way" is the design equivalent of waving a magic wand, and is not going to cut it in a room of software engineers. As Kumar said in another thread, it's like an Admiral saying to solve the submarine problem we just have to drain the ocean; a mere engineering problem. Hence my description of your wishes as ridiculous. The support site and queue fixes are legitimate requests, you are requesting they find unicorns and Bigfoots, and when people say they don't exist, you have nothing to say except "Find a way". Big difference.

And nice watering down of your many specific, numbered requirements, every one of which you insisted be implemented. Seems even you know how ridiculous they are.

Not unicorns or Bigfoot, just asking for some strategy to solve the problem. Saying "solve the submarine problem" is perfectly legitimate if not solving it leaves you sunk and it doesn't imply draining the ocean. That is your embellishment to try to belittle the validity of a concern you don't share.

Not unicorns or Bigfoot, just asking for some strategy to solve the problem. Saying "solve the submarine problem" is perfectly legitimate if not solving it leaves you sunk and it doesn't imply draining the ocean. That is your embellishment to try to belittle the validity of a concern you don't share.

You've offered no solutions, only requirements. You've been told your requirements are technically and financially impossible, yet you won't withdraw the requirements. All for a tiny fraction of the user base. Trust me, you don't need me to belittle the validity of your concern.

I have not been told this by Sonos. Nor have they stated they do not intend to address any of these concerns or that they are walking away from the large installation/custom installation segment, regardless of what fraction of their business it represents. When they do make a definitive statement about their intentions then I will stop pursuing it. If their choice is to make no comment then hearing it come up again is a consequence of that choice.

You have certainly given an opinion of why you think any solution is technically and financially impossible and I respect your view but that does not solve the problem... and again I only highlight issues that were not issues at some earlier point in time, not pie in the sky features that have never existed. In other words, things that used to work a certain way and now don't.

I'm sure if my requests become a problem that the moderators will take steps to reel me in. They really don't need you to help them with that.

I'll tell you what, when they address it and it turns out to be possible, then you can tell me what I can and cannot post. Until then, I will post what I want and when I want. Also, I kindly ask you to stop attacking me, and instead address the glaring inconsistencies and outright impracticality I've raised about your requirements, rather than hiding behind Sonos' silence on the subject as a shield for your apparent unwillingness or inability to defend your ideas. Deal?

Isn't this the thread on the forum changes not controller/hardware changes?

I can see why people don't like the new forum format / especially the search. But what does that really have to do with the enjoyment of the actual Sonos product?

In the case of software changes - I have been very negative on the newest software. But there is a difference in expressing your opinion on software changes and out right bombarding and spamming the forum every few minutes and every thread about irritation about software changes (which was the big problem when some users were chastised by other users for being down right obnoxious in their objections to software changes).

I'll tell you what, when they address it and it turns out to be possible, then you can tell me what I can and cannot post. Until then, I will post what I want and when I want. Also, I kindly ask you to stop attacking me, and instead address the glaring inconsistencies and outright impracticality I've raised about your requirements, rather than hiding behind Sonos' silence on the subject as a shield for your apparent unwillingness or inability to defend your ideas. Deal?

It was not my intention to attack you or tell you what you can post. I am just saying that you do not need to attack me or make it your mission to shut me down... Sonos will do that if they think it is warranted.

I already made a deal some months ago to stop criticizing the controller app and have agreed in other recent threads to terminate the discussion rather than continue defending my position when the discussion runs on between the two of us without providing value to anyone else. I have, and probably will continue to defend my position whenever a change appears to be detrimental to large installations or custom installations. I probably will NOT drag out the defense of any proposed solution because at the end of the day I don't care how Sonos chooses to solve the problem their change created as long as they come up with a solution. It seems if I propose a solution I get hammered if it involves technical or financial challenges and if I don't propose one I still get hammered for just complaining without offering solutions. So going forward if I identify a problem that Sonos has created with on of their changes to their product that impacts the group I care about I am going to leave it to Sonos to explain how they intend to address it. Deal?

Isn't this the thread on the forum changes not controller/hardware changes?

I can see why people don't like the new forum format / especially the search. But what does that really have to do with the enjoyment of the actual Sonos product?

In the case of software changes - I have been very negative on the newest software. But there is a difference in expressing your opinion on software changes and out right bombarding and spamming the forum every few minutes and every thread about irritation about software changes (which was the big problem when some users were chastised by other users for being down right obnoxious in their objections to software changes).

I agree this is not the right place for this discussion and apologize that it is so far off topic from the area of forum changes. I'll stop contributing to the clutter.

All sounds pretty reasonable Mike. There is a complaint thread for the current software version changes of course

https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-software-228995/sonos-are-you-reading-this-please-put-the-controller-queue-function-back-how-it-was-6739476

I don't know if anyone has done this till now; yesterday I emailed the Sonos CEO at his "mail to me I want to hear from you" address on two things. The Insided fiasco in general and what is now getting to be a SNAFU - the spam - which has become ridiculous.

I even got a PM from a genuine member yesterday, pointing out one spam that had a link with my name somewhere in the link. I had noticed and ignored it because it is a common enough name in India.