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Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024
Question

SNR level: how do you check them using new app?

  • July 19, 2024
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I am new to the concept and was enlightened by a more technical user. 

https://support.sonos.com/en-au/article/understanding-the-network-details-section-in-the-sonos-app

The Signal to Noise Ratio. This is a measure of the quality of the signal strength between the product and router and is expressed in decibels. A higher value represents a stronger signal. As a general guideline, a SNR of 45 dB and above is considered excellent, while a SNR of 25 dB or below is considered weak.

How to you observe or manage SNR on new app?
Instructions please. 

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press250
Prodigy III
July 19, 2024

Hi @Multiculti, you can find the SNR numbers in the new app …

  • On the Home Screen, tap the [gear icon]
  • Under Your System, select a room
  • Under Products, select a device
  • Under Status, tap Network
  • Under Connection, find SNR

… larger numbers are better. Do note that SNR does not reflect interference from neighboring Wi-Fi networks, microwave ovens, etcetera.

Ken_Griffiths
July 19, 2024

Just to add - as a general guideline, an SNR level of 45 dB or above, is considered an excellent (strong) signal, whilst an SNR of 25 dB or below, is considered weak.

Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024

Thanks @press250 !!!  
I use iOS & ipadOS 80.04.04 both & macOS 16.3 (on S2 maintenance mode), besides webapp on updated chrome on latest macOS. 

I started wondering if I was living in an alternate reality or why my attempts to navigate your path to SNR don’t match yours ...then I thought: this only works if one is fully relying on wi-fi and no Sonos device is plugged to ethernet correct? One of the beams is connected to AT&T fiber optic gateway/router, so that (would) explain why there’s no SNR status, as I assume that system is on SonosNet, even when such wording no longer appears on app.
Is that the correct assumption?  ...or?


I clicked on Gear and attempted to follow as you can see on screenshots below. 
If the assumption above is correct, I will still get to follow your bullet-point-tutorial in the future, as I maybe disconnecting ethernet and adding all devices to a hotspot network/mesh ASA I upgrade my Eero. Thanks for the time invested.

@Ken_Griffiths Thanks for adding the dB range. 

 

 

press250
Prodigy III
July 19, 2024

I started wondering if I was living in an alternate reality or why my attempts to navigate your path to SNR don’t match yours ...then I thought: this only works if one is fully relying on wi-fi and no Sonos device is plugged to ethernet correct?​​​​

Spot on @Multiculti, with one wired Sonos device you’re system is using SonosNet. That is the proprietary mesh network introduced ages ago by Sonos, at a time when home Wi-Fi gear was much less capable. There is a way to check signal strength in a SonosNet setup …

 

… if you are comfortable navigating the steps outlined in the video, you’ll get a good idea of which (if any) of your Sonos devices are experiencing weak(ish) connectivity. The color coding is super helpful, ‘natch.

Do you already own an Eero mesh Wi-Fi system? I’d certainly suggest vetting your current setup before purchasing any new gear.

Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024

Great to have video @press250  for the day I venture as I decide on next context for this house’s Sonos setup. 

Have 3 old Eero, J010001, a gift from years back. Recently bought one discounted Eero Pro6E as main connect to router, aware that the other 3 won’t be able to produce same capacity, and mostly using as filler wi-fi for weak spots. 

So, before carving calendar time to geek out after valuable video tutorial:
I may disconnect that one beam from router and go all wi-fi as soon as I update Eero mesh system (while running both wi-fi networks, as that has not caused trouble so far). I do wonder, if I was to keep beam plugged to router, if before recycling our two Boosts (yes two, previous habitat was an old condo with too many walls), I could use them Boosts’ to connect a seldom-used old laptop that finds it difficult to jump on our wi-fi ...I know it is not intended to be used that way, but it’s a two-adult smart-household so other than one TV stream and one audio stream, plus mobiles, there’s not much competition for wi-fi internally.
Any insights on that @press250  ?

Sad to recycle those “as new”-old-boosts without giving them further use
...it puts a little stain on the $ono$ brand personally, and I have been a fan and organic brand ambassador for long.

press250
Prodigy III
July 19, 2024

I’d certainly check the status of your current SonosNet setup before switching to ‘regular’ Wi-Fi, if for no other reason than to have a comparative set of datapoints.

Re-using the Boosts is a non-starter, I’m afraid, as they are purely Sonos-specific. Even though SonosNet is Wi-Fi, it will not play with ‘regular’ Wi-Fi. 

Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024

I shall (get over the initial sweat drop that video tutorial learning curve triggers in my stretched calendar) and find out SonosNet status (minus the name, as no longer in use), keyword: datapoints. 🙏🏽

Hijacking Boost’s ethernet port vs Boost as Sonos-specific: I thought it was possible ↩

...seemingly that is popular belief ↩ albeit, at the risk of poor results. 

Interesting related lil’ blog roll:  https://www.the-ambient.com/how-to/sonos-ethernet-setup-bridge-boost-wifi-hardwired-guide-2874/

 

I wish I could replace all my old “onesies” (Sonos Play One, Sonos One, Sonos One SR) with Era 100, but no more Sonos Savings Fund transactions until they do a major major fixing of that app and the clock is ticking for such savings fund could be easily renamed. 

press250
Prodigy III
July 19, 2024

Hi @Multiculti, if you are running SonosNet you may be able to re-purpose your Boost(s) to get the old laptop connected. Personally, I would never want to run that Gauntlet of Grief ... when a USB to Wi-Fi adapter (dual band, 5GHz and 2.4GHz) from a reputable brand is less than $20. For illustrative purposes only: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B1PZXNVZ

Ken_Griffiths
July 19, 2024

I gave my own Sonos Boost away around two years ago (approx.) - I don’t plan on returning to SonosNet v2  in its current form - it’s noticeably slooow, compared to modern day WiFi mesh networks.

FWIW - The Sonos products listed below can now use the much faster 5Ghz WiFi band - so if it’s practical to use that band with a WiFi mesh and have all Sonos device SNR levels of 45dB, or higher, then that’s become my own preference with a Sonos system…

  • Play:1
  • Play:3
  • Play:5 (Gen 2)
  • Five
  • Sub (Gen 1)
  • Sub (Gen 2)
  • Sub (Gen 3)
  • Sub Mini
  • Era 100
  • Era 300
  • Move
  • Move 2
  • Roam
  • Roam 2
  • Roam SL
  • One (Gen 1)
  • One (Gen 2)
  • One SL
  • Port
  • SYMFONISK Bookshelf (Gen 2)
  • SYMFONISK Floor lamp
  • SYMFONISK Picture frame
  • SYMFONISK Table lamp (Gen 2)
  • SYMFONISK Bookshelf (Gen 1)

 

Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024

Great to know @Ken_Griffiths , precisely the list I was looking for. 


And in new app, if not setup for “nameless” Sonos Net but wi-fi, one will be able to manage each device and “lean them towards” 5Ghz? yes? 
...if I remember correctly you indicated that in another recent comment on another post. 

Good to have the options learned here as even 5Ghz has pros and cons (narrower reach). 


Also, just checking since I was looking at different Eeros, Sonos is not on 6Ghz, correct?


I was screen-shopping/looking at pricey Eero Max 7 but there’s no point of having 10 gigabit speeds if one’s smart home is comfy paying, working well and living with 300 Mbps (fiber).