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Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024
Question

SNR level: how do you check them using new app?

  • July 19, 2024
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I am new to the concept and was enlightened by a more technical user. 

https://support.sonos.com/en-au/article/understanding-the-network-details-section-in-the-sonos-app

The Signal to Noise Ratio. This is a measure of the quality of the signal strength between the product and router and is expressed in decibels. A higher value represents a stronger signal. As a general guideline, a SNR of 45 dB and above is considered excellent, while a SNR of 25 dB or below is considered weak.

How to you observe or manage SNR on new app?
Instructions please. 

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21 replies

Airgetlam
July 19, 2024

I’d suggest the word ‘can’, not ‘do’, @Ken_Griffiths .

And some of them aren’t able to use both inbound and outbound 5Ghz at the same time (thinking about surrounds, which use the 5Ghz channel, although Subs may be a similar issue. 
 

Edit…I note that you don’t actually use the word do, but your prose could easily be interpreted that they only connect on 5Ghz…

Bruce
Ken_Griffiths
July 19, 2024

I’d suggest the word ‘can’, not ‘do’, @Ken_Griffiths .

And some of them aren’t able to use both inbound and outbound 5Ghz at the same time (thinking about surrounds, which use the 5Ghz channel, although Subs may be a similar issue. 

Edited ..👍 (There’s no SNR levels shown in the App for ‘bonded’ Surrounds/Sub).

Airgetlam
July 19, 2024

Heh. ;)

Bruce
Airgetlam
July 19, 2024

I suspect those ‘missing’ SNR levels are not passed through the proxy connection…but I’m guessing. 

Bruce
press250
Prodigy III
July 19, 2024

Hi @Multiculti, you are correct that no Sonos devices use the 6GHz band (Wi-Fi 6E). Indeed, Sonos devices do not take advantage of Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax) at all. That said, if you are going to spend the money on a new mesh Wi-Fi system it is worth buying yourself some ‘runway’ to keep it contemporary for some years. Take a close look at the Eero 6+ … a good combination of performance and future-proofing.

As an aside, the Eero Max 7 is reviewing very poorly so your instinct to stay away is solid.

Ken_Griffiths
July 19, 2024

Great to know @Ken_Griffiths , precisely the list I was looking for. 


And in new app, if not setup for “nameless” Sonos Net but wi-fi, one will be able to manage each device and “lean them towards” 5Ghz? yes? 
...if I remember correctly you indicated that in another recent comment on another post. 

Good to have the options learned here as even 5Ghz has pros and cons (narrower reach). 


Also, just checking since I was looking at different Eeros, Sonos is not on 6Ghz, correct?


I was screen-shopping/looking at pricey Eero Max 7 but there’s no point of having 10 gigabit speeds if one’s smart home is comfy paying, working well and living with 300 Mbps (fiber). 

It may depend on the router/mesh system setup, the WiFi (primary/satellite) Hubs position in relation to your Sonos products and/or the primary mesh router capabilities - I don’t know much about the Eero system, (but have heard good things about it), but many routers these days cater for manual band-steering and may allow you to steer the devices onto the 5Ghz band.  In my own case I had to move my network Hubs. I have a wired gigabit Ethernet network for backhaul to a main switch and the primary Hub/Router. The Ethernet network is linked to all the main rooms/floors of the Home.

Sonos products do not use the 6Ghz band - maybe new products will in the future… I just use a WiFi-6AX setup.

Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024

Good point @press250 

I bought an in-betweener Eero Pro 6E for almost half its current price on Prime Day. 
I am hoping to start replacing smart devices at home for those that can run on 6Ghz besides other frequencies. Not many in our present time (Sonos, Apple & Google Home ecosystems, with Alexa as a ‘guest ghost’ on Sonos, etc.). 

Ref. on Eero list.

press250
Prodigy III
July 19, 2024

Good point @press250 

I bought an in-betweener Eero Pro 6E for almost half its current price on Prime Day. 

Ahh, good for you @Multiculti, I certainly endorse the Eero Pro 6E as a “step up” that potentially buys you extra runway in the 6GHz band down the road. Out of curiosity, how many units (base + _ satellites) are in your kit? And roughly how big is your home?

 

Multiculti
Avid Contributor I
July 19, 2024

Thx. Only 3 old Eero 2nd Gen J010001. 
Eero Pro 6 E will obviously replace the one connected and the others will act as extenders (aware of the lower speed/capacity limitation). Original AT&T router provides good speeds, 300+ dl, so just using the extra network to fill in weak spots (e.g. one faulty Cync GE bulb for a side door and a solar powered security camera above it) but as it grows I foresee it becoming the primary network. I see others turn off their main gateway’s router, though I don’t see a problem keeping both on. 

Habitat size roughly 1600 sq ft-J shaped-and big yards surrounding it. Insights?

press250
Prodigy III
July 19, 2024

For 1600 sq ft you should get very solid coverage with the base + one satellite. Does that match what you bought during Prime Day?

I’m not sure I understand your desired “end state” for Wi-Fi networking …

  • Are you thinking of mixing-a-matching Eero generations? I am not sure that will work at all, and even if it is possible you may end up with a wonky result.
  • Are you thinking of running multiple Wi-Fi systems in parallel? That would literally create your own interference, unless you are super-diligent about assigning non-conflicting Wi-Fi channels across the whole cornucopia.

I do a lot of Wi-Fi work and my overriding rulebook is “simpler is better.” If your new Eero Pro 6E includes a base + one satellite I would strongly counsel to use that as your one and only Wi-Fi system. Turn off the radio(s) in the legacy AT&T router and do not employ the legacy Eero units.