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Enthusiast II
May 15, 2024
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Alternative to Sonos

  • May 15, 2024
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I sent this to the Sonos CEO email, as this seems to be the only support option available. My main point is to find a solution on the bad situation I find myself in, with the non-functioning new app.

Anyone else, if not the CEO, is welcome to give their suggestions and comments, that may help me on the way. Thanks.

 

“Dear Sonos,

You have done something completely absurd, as you are aware of, by killing off a functioning app and replacing it with one that has close to no functions - a work in progress, at best, or a disaster of an app, when speaking realistically.

After some years without Sonos for my part, since you decided to kill off all older devices, threatening that if I didn't replace them with new ones I would be at risk of you sending out software updates at any time that would render my system useless, I decided to give you a chance again, ordering a Port.

The day after receiving this new device, before I had even managed to connect it and start using it, came this infamous app update.

I have one - one - purpose of owning a Sonos system: I want a player for the music I have in my own collection. CDs that I have copied to a local SAN and are playing from there.

This is hardly possible now. I was lucky to get the old desktop app before you stopped access to it, so that I at least in that app can make playlists - which most of the time are visible and playable from the mobile app.

In the mobile app, it happens from time to time that "My music" appears - and when it does, it sometimes stay long enough for me to see the music collection - in a somewhat useless form, as all contributing artists and their mother and neighbors seem to be in the list that, therefore, becomes extremely long - and since it is not searchable, I can effectively see only the first few letters of the alphabet. When it works at all, that is.

And what can I do with that music overview? I can pick one tune. Or one album. And play it directly. That's it.

If I pick an album, I cannot see the tunes on it in the queue, which is called empty, even though the system does play song after song until that album is over.

If I try with the web app, I can always see My music, and I can pick an artist, if I want - but wanting this means accepting that all tunes by that artist will be played either alphabetically or in random order (if I push that button). I cannot get them played in the order they are on the albums.

So, back to the old desktop app that I now do not dare to upgrade, even though it constantly asks me to do so: There, I can make playlists of albums that will be played in the correct order.

You want so much that I upgrade that app, but what will come out of it? I expect nothing good.

My take on all this is that you have ruined my joy of ownership of that new thing, the Port, like you previously did with the older devices I had. It was wrong of me to give you another chance. You have not proved worthy of that.

So, apart from not buying any more devices from Sonos, due to this failure of delivering what you sold me, I will again start looking for an alternative. 

You are in general lucky, in that the competition is very poor. I tried out Yamaha's MusicCast and Denon's Heos, and where Yamaha had great hardware, they had a terrible app. Where Denon had a useful app, they had malfunctioning hardware. Sonos used to be the combination of good hardware and software, even though you several times have shown a lack of sense of fair business, but now you have the most miserable app of them all, making it impossible to utilize the hardware, so it no longer matters if that is good or bad.

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

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Best answer by wayneo123

Given that this is not the first time sonos has shown questionable customer service (S1 - S2 precedent), there is no way I am remaining in their eco system.

 

I have therefore started the process of changing my hardware.

A sonos amp (paired with monitor audio silver 100s) has been replaced with a pair KEF LSII speakers (active with streaming built in) which I am very pleased with and were cheaper than the original pairing.

Currently looking at replacing my other amp with a WiiM amp or a Bluesound Powernode.

The 2 ports I have will be replaced with a Bluesound node or WiiM Pro Plus.

All of the devices in question are Roon Ready and I have taken out a Roon subscription (which to be honest is a bit on the pricey side) but it will give me a unified point of entry for any of the hardware I choose. That way I am not tied to any hardware vendor. Should any them act in the reprehensible way that sonos have.

Unfortunately I will still have my arc I use in the bedroom. It’s wall hung and the room has just been decorated otherwise I would have probably replaced it with KEF LS50’s given how good their smaller siblings are.

 

105 replies

Lyricist II
May 21, 2024

Absolutely the worst app update I’ve ever seen.  Piece of junk.  Hardly can use it.  What is Sonos doing.  We pay a Premium for equipment and then they screw it all up.  If I could dump it all I would consider.   Very disappointing to say the least.  Used to love this system and speaker set up I have for outdoor patio pool etc.  What are you going to do Sonos to fix this piece of shit app? Who makes these decisions and who the heck tests it?  No one obviously.  Not sure I’ll ever buy another piece of the this premium platform.   
Get this FIXED.   

Lyricist I
May 21, 2024

"We pay a Premium for equipment and then they screw it all up." That's just so true. Startet planing my new homesetup, but Sonos did it again. Couple of years ago I noticed at a customers spot that Sonos just quit support for older devices, providing a 50€ coupon to buy a new version of something that was bought for 200 months ago. Your politics are absolut ridiculous. I'll will never buy or recommend Sonos anymore. It's just sad what Sonos is doing with it.

Prominent Collaborator I
May 22, 2024

@Kumar

The majority of my rooms use an amp/port to stream the music and are paired with other equipment.

The only room currently using sonos speakers is the master bedroom.

These will stay, more for convenience (ie not having to redecorate if I remove the arc from the wall) than anything else.

Amp/port both have line in jacks that can free you from the yoke of the Sonos app, once you have used it to configure the line in on the port/amp, by setting that to autoplay. Thereafter any source plugged into the line in jack just has to start playing for it to be heard downstream of port/amp, from the speakers at the downstream end.

 

I don’t know about the line-ins on older S1 devices, buy my line-ins on the S2 Ports are sub-par.  I was hoping to use one to get audio out of my recording studio into my rec room.  The sound was low volume and I had to overly crank the AV8002 to hear it.  I played around with the line-in settings trying all the various component options and adjusting the output of my studio into it. To achieve “normal” playback levels that matched my other gear and systems, the line-in would distort and sound terrible.  My final solution: 40 feet of wire/RCA connections from the studio to the rec room, old-school.  That’s a lot of wire and long run for RCA cables but sounds perfectly fine now compared to the line-ins.  I don’t recommend the line-ins for any decent fidelity.

Trending Lyricist I
May 25, 2024

I sent this to the Sonos CEO email, as this seems to be the only support option available. My main point is to find a solution on the bad situation I find myself in, with the non-functioning new app.

Anyone else, if not the CEO, is welcome to give their suggestions and comments, that may help me on the way. Thanks.

 

“Dear Sonos,

You have done something completely absurd, as you are aware of, by killing off a functioning app and replacing it with one that has close to no functions - a work in progress, at best, or a disaster of an app, when speaking realistically.After some years without Sonos for my part, since you decided to kill off all older devices, threatening that if I didn't replace them with new ones I would be at risk of you sending out software updates at any time that would render my system useless, I decided to give you a chance again, ordering a Port.

The day after receiving this new device, before I had even managed to connect it and start using it, came this infamous app update.

I have one - one - purpose of owning a Sonos system: I want a player for the music I have in my own collection. CDs that I have copied to a local SAN and are playing from there.

This is hardly possible now. I was lucky to get the old desktop app before you stopped access to it, so that I at least in that app can make playlists - which most of the time are visible and playable from the mobile app.

In the mobile app, it happens from time to time that "My music" appears - and when it does, it sometimes stay long enough for me to see the music collection - in a somewhat useless form, as all contributing artists and their mother and neighbors seem to be in the list that, therefore, becomes extremely long - and since it is not searchable, I can effectively see only the first few letters of the alphabet. When it works at all, that is.

And what can I do with that music overview? I can pick one tune. Or one album. And play it directly. That's it.

If I pick an album, I cannot see the tunes on it in the queue, which is called empty, even though the system does play song after song until that album is over.

If I try with the web app, I can always see My music, and I can pick an artist, if I want - but wanting this means accepting that all tunes by that artist will be played either alphabetically or in random order (if I push that button). I cannot get them played in the order they are on the albums.

So, back to the old desktop app that I now do not dare to upgrade, even though it constantly asks me to do so: There, I can make playlists of albums that will be played in the correct order.

You want so much that I upgrade that app, but what will come out of it? I expect nothing good.

My take on all this is that you have ruined my joy of ownership of that new thing, the Port, like you previously did with the older devices I had. It was wrong of me to give you another chance. You have not proved worthy of that.

So, apart from not buying any more devices from Sonos, due to this failure of delivering what you sold me, I will again start looking for an alternative. 

You are in general lucky, in that the competition is very poor. I tried out Yamaha's MusicCast and Denon's Heos, and where Yamaha had great hardware, they had a terrible app. Where Denon had a useful app, they had malfunctioning hardware. Sonos used to be the combination of good hardware and software, even though you several times have shown a lack of sense of fair business, but now you have the most miserable app of them all, making it impossible to utilize the hardware, so it no longer matters if that is good or bad.

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

Hi Jorwin. Having become exhausted looking for a workaround to the chaos the new App has caused to my life I’ve been contemplating all night (again) if I should send a personal message and what I would say to Patrick Spence - and then I come across your comments. My thoughts exactly - thank you.

I suspect from your message to him that you, like me, have amassed over the years a vast library of physical music on Vinyl and CDs on which you have spent many pleasurable hours painstakingly and meticulously downloading to your desktops, tablets and mobiles and, through investment in SONOS equipment and the S1 and S2 Apps, have been able to enjoy through the versatility of being able to listen to any artist, at any time, anywhere in your house at the swipe of a screen or the press of a button.

Not anymore I’m afraid. Me-thinks Spence feels as if we should drag ourselves even further into this modern world, that personal music libraries derived from old and ancient mediums such as CDs and Vinyl should be consigned to the bin and we should all fork out more money to subscribe to faster broadband and digital music services - and by hook or by crook SONOS will force you down that path whether you like it or not, ‘cos they obviously don’t give a s**t for the customers that have supported them and put vast amounts of cash in their pockets.

I’ve totally lost faith in SONOS and I’m about to consign the majority of my now practically useless £8000+ worth of equipment to Room 101 (or is that error 913?) to join the defunct SONOS Connect and Bridge which are already gathering dust in there, thanks to previous SONOS “innovative” updates.

I’m not sure where you are based Jorwin but here in the UK we have what has become known as the *Post Office Scandal* which involved an IT company and crap software which ruined peoples lives. While in no way am I comparing the suffering those people went through with what we are going through with SONOS, I can’t help but compare Spence’s attitude to his customers with that of The Post Office CEO Paula Vennells` to the Post Masters affected. My only wish would be to find a way to bring Spence to account for his actions and utter lack of respect for his customers, as Vennells has been.

Well that vent should help get me through another day - I’ll think I’ll check out the email SONOS has sent me about their new Ear Phones -- NOT!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

 

jorwinAuthor
Enthusiast II
May 25, 2024

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

Hi Jorwin. Having become exhausted looking for a workaround to the chaos the new App has caused to my life I’ve been contemplating all night (again) if I should send a personal message and what I would say to Patrick Spence - and then I come across your comments. My thoughts exactly - thank you.

I suspect from your message to him that you, like me, have amassed over the years a vast library of physical music on Vinyl and CDs on which you have spent many pleasurable hours painstakingly and meticulously downloading to your desktops, tablets and mobiles and, through investment in SONOS equipment and the S1 and S2 Apps, have been able to enjoy through the versatility of being able to listen to any artist, at any time, anywhere in your house at the swipe of a screen or the press of a button.

Not anymore I’m afraid. Me-thinks Spence feels as if we should drag ourselves even further into this modern world, that personal music libraries derived from old and ancient mediums such as CDs and Vinyl should be consigned to the bin and we should all fork out more money to subscribe to faster broadband and digital music services - and by hook or by crook SONOS will force you down that path whether you like it or not, ‘cos they obviously don’t give a s**t for the customers that have supported them and put vast amounts of cash in their pockets.

I’ve totally lost faith in SONOS and I’m about to consign the majority of my now practically useless £8000+ worth of equipment to Room 101 (or is that error 913?) to join the defunct SONOS Connect and Bridge which are already gathering dust in there, thanks to previous SONOS “innovative” updates.

I’m not sure where you are based Jorwin but here in the UK we have what has become known as the *Post Office Scandal* which involved an IT company and crap software which ruined peoples lives. While in no way am I comparing the suffering those people went through with what we are going through with SONOS, I can’t help but compare Spence’s attitude to his customers with that of The Post Office CEO Paula Vennells` to the Post Masters affected. My only wish would be to find a way to bring Spence to account for his actions and utter lack of respect for his customers, as Vennells has been.

Well that vent should help get me through another day - I’ll think I’ll check out the email SONOS has sent me about their new Ear Phones -- NOT!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

 

Yes, that music collection and the many hours spent on making it available at the swipe of a screen, as you say it, is essential to me. Therefore, Sonos’ killing the possibility to utilise it and do just that was a full stop for me.

And then not. I can advise you to have a look at Roon - simply some software that works and can be used to control not only Sonos media players but also many other devices. With this, you can get value out of your Sonos equipment, apparently both S1 and S2 - even though I myself have only S1 devices left, so I haven’t tried out how well it works with S2.

It takes a bit of effort to set it up on a computer (preferably one that can stay on all the time) and let it index all your music, but then you have it there and it simply works. It is a server app plus two apps for the mobile and other client devices - one for in-house playing of music, the other to be used when you are out (yes, you can get access to your music even when you are not at home).

Now, Roon is owned by Harman Kardon, again owned by Samsung, and in this world of big money everything can happen. I hope that they will not kill Roon or the app,

The best part of it is not even the great app which beats anything else on the market (and certainly the new Sonos app) - it is that you can mix different brands of media players, so you don’t have to show that one-way loyalty that each of these usually expects from you.

Multi-room works across different brands, as long as they use the same communication technology - meaning that Sonos is on its own, but many ChromeCast or AirPlay devices can be mixed brands in the same multi-room group.

Roon costs some money, but not much when comparing to the price of a media player.

Currently, I use Roon for listening to music in mainly one room with a Bluesound Edge player and a Yamaha WXC-50 player connected to a Denon amplifier (the latter having HEOS built-in, but it doesn’t work). With two players, I can switch between two different queues in the Roon app, so that I can pick the one for the mood I am in. Luxury, of course, but I had the Yamaha player from previous and decided to try it out with Roon after I had already bought the Bluesound, and it works.

In another room I have a Sonos Play 5 - not the most fantastic sound quality, according to my ears, so it will be replaced some day, but for now it works - with Roon.

A third room will soon be equipped with a Harman Kardon Citation 700 sound bar, as it is on sale just now, and yet another room will soon get a WiiM Amp connected to a pair of wall-mount Dali loudspeakers and a Canton subwoofer.

My old Sonos Connect will be installed in yet another room with yet another Denon amplifier.

I have an Apple TV player connected to a Samsung TV (the latter having Airplay but is invisible from Roon).

Roon itself is installed on an old iMac, but it could have been any PC that can be left on - running Windows, macOS or Linux. Roon sells special small computers ready equipped with the software, but they also advise on how you can make one yourself using such as an Intel NUK mini computer.

Out of all this, the Sonos devices can be grouped with each other - but not with anything else. The Yamaha, Bluesound and maybe more devices can be grouped through Airplay. The Bluesound and Wiim can be grouped through the native Roon protocol, and the Citation probable needs to be operated alone through ChromeCast (but from Roon) or simply just playing the sound from the connected TV.

A bit of care when buying players should allow for them all to have at least one common protocol, so that they can all be grouped for full-house multi-room music, but that is not a high priority for me.

I am in Sweden, and I haven’t heard about the Post Office Scandal in the UK. But I have during the years experienced bad behaviour from Sonos, and to me the continued breach of respect for their customers’ needs is unforgivable. But I don’t think that Sonos really cares about loosing a few customers, since they obviously want to move towards a model with shorter timespans, shorter product lives, where they get new customers all the time on the basis of advertising and “fads of the month”. They want to be a deliverer of many pieces of equipment, not a fan club for old devices.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope that you can make Sonos change their mind and yourself find a good way forward. This is about music, first of all, and there are, luckily, many ways of listening to that - Sonos may once have looked like the way forward but they have burned the bridges not only behind them but also in front of them. 

Oh, and about bridges - yes, I had such one from Sonos. It died one day, was completely bricked, so I took it away and it made not difference whatsoever. It had been a dead weight in the system, or a decoration, but without any real use.

Trending Lyricist I
May 25, 2024

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

Hi Jorwin. Having become exhausted looking for a workaround to the chaos the new App has caused to my life I’ve been contemplating all night (again) if I should send a personal message and what I would say to Patrick Spence - and then I come across your comments. My thoughts exactly - thank you.

I suspect from your message to him that you, like me, have amassed over the years a vast library of physical music on Vinyl and CDs on which you have spent many pleasurable hours painstakingly and meticulously downloading to your desktops, tablets and mobiles and, through investment in SONOS equipment and the S1 and S2 Apps, have been able to enjoy through the versatility of being able to listen to any artist, at any time, anywhere in your house at the swipe of a screen or the press of a button.

Not anymore I’m afraid. Me-thinks Spence feels as if we should drag ourselves even further into this modern world, that personal music libraries derived from old and ancient mediums such as CDs and Vinyl should be consigned to the bin and we should all fork out more money to subscribe to faster broadband and digital music services - and by hook or by crook SONOS will force you down that path whether you like it or not, ‘cos they obviously don’t give a s**t for the customers that have supported them and put vast amounts of cash in their pockets.

I’ve totally lost faith in SONOS and I’m about to consign the majority of my now practically useless £8000+ worth of equipment to Room 101 (or is that error 913?) to join the defunct SONOS Connect and Bridge which are already gathering dust in there, thanks to previous SONOS “innovative” updates.

I’m not sure where you are based Jorwin but here in the UK we have what has become known as the *Post Office Scandal* which involved an IT company and crap software which ruined peoples lives. While in no way am I comparing the suffering those people went through with what we are going through with SONOS, I can’t help but compare Spence’s attitude to his customers with that of The Post Office CEO Paula Vennells` to the Post Masters affected. My only wish would be to find a way to bring Spence to account for his actions and utter lack of respect for his customers, as Vennells has been.

Well that vent should help get me through another day - I’ll think I’ll check out the email SONOS has sent me about their new Ear Phones -- NOT!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

 

Yes, that music collection and the many hours spent on making it available at the swipe of a screen, as you say it, is essential to me. Therefore, Sonos’ killing the possibility to utilise it and do just that was a full stop for me.

And then not. I can advise you to have a look at Roon - simply some software that works and can be used to control not only Sonos media players but also many other devices. With this, you can get value out of your Sonos equipment, apparently both S1 and S2 - even though I myself have only S1 devices left, so I haven’t tried out how well it works with S2.

It takes a bit of effort to set it up on a computer (preferably one that can stay on all the time) and let it index all your music, but then you have it there and it simply works. It is a server app plus two apps for the mobile and other client devices - one for in-house playing of music, the other to be used when you are out (yes, you can get access to your music even when you are not at home).

Now, Roon is owned by Harman Kardon, again owned by Samsung, and in this world of big money everything can happen. I hope that they will not kill Roon or the app,

The best part of it is not even the great app which beats anything else on the market (and certainly the new Sonos app) - it is that you can mix different brands of media players, so you don’t have to show that one-way loyalty that each of these usually expects from you.

Multi-room works across different brands, as long as they use the same communication technology - meaning that Sonos is on its own, but many ChromeCast or AirPlay devices can be mixed brands in the same multi-room group.

Roon costs some money, but not much when comparing to the price of a media player.

Currently, I use Roon for listening to music in mainly one room with a Bluesound Edge player and a Yamaha WXC-50 player connected to a Denon amplifier (the latter having HEOS built-in, but it doesn’t work). With two players, I can switch between two different queues in the Roon app, so that I can pick the one for the mood I am in. Luxury, of course, but I had the Yamaha player from previous and decided to try it out with Roon after I had already bought the Bluesound, and it works.

In another room I have a Sonos Play 5 - not the most fantastic sound quality, according to my ears, so it will be replaced some day, but for now it works - with Roon.

A third room will soon be equipped with a Harman Kardon Citation 700 sound bar, as it is on sale just now, and yet another room will soon get a WiiM Amp connected to a pair of wall-mount Dali loudspeakers and a Canton subwoofer.

My old Sonos Connect will be installed in yet another room with yet another Denon amplifier.

I have an Apple TV player connected to a Samsung TV (the latter having Airplay but is invisible from Roon).

Roon itself is installed on an old iMac, but it could have been any PC that can be left on - running Windows, macOS or Linux. Roon sells special small computers ready equipped with the software, but they also advise on how you can make one yourself using such as an Intel NUK mini computer.

Out of all this, the Sonos devices can be grouped with each other - but not with anything else. The Yamaha, Bluesound and maybe more devices can be grouped through Airplay. The Bluesound and Wiim can be grouped through the native Roon protocol, and the Citation probable needs to be operated alone through ChromeCast (but from Roon) or simply just playing the sound from the connected TV.

A bit of care when buying players should allow for them all to have at least one common protocol, so that they can all be grouped for full-house multi-room music, but that is not a high priority for me.

I am in Sweden, and I haven’t heard about the Post Office Scandal in the UK. But I have during the years experienced bad behaviour from Sonos, and to me the continued breach of respect for their customers’ needs is unforgivable. But I don’t think that Sonos really cares about loosing a few customers, since they obviously want to move towards a model with shorter timespans, shorter product lives, where they get new customers all the time on the basis of advertising and “fads of the month”. They want to be a deliverer of many pieces of equipment, not a fan club for old devices.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope that you can make Sonos change their mind and yourself find a good way forward. This is about music, first of all, and there are, luckily, many ways of listening to that - Sonos may once have looked like the way forward but they have burned the bridges not only behind them but also in front of them. 

Oh, and about bridges - yes, I had such one from Sonos. It died one day, was completely bricked, so I took it away and it made not difference whatsoever. It had been a dead weight in the system, or a decoration, but without any real use.

Cheers Jorwin,

Lots of good information and ideas there, and very much appreciated. At 72 years young though I'm looking for the simple life, which I thought SONOS had delivered for me! Not so it seems.. so I dusted off my 45 year old Technics SL10 DD turntable with moving coil cartridge, had it serviced, coupled it with my 45 year old Technics SU-C 01 pre-amp and SE-C 01 Amp, playing through my 45 year old passive B&W DM12 speakers all of which sadly had been mothballed with the advent of SONOS….and I am really enjoying listening to all my Vinyl as it should be heard - if I crank the volume up to 10 I can even hear my music throughout my house (so, unfortunately, can the neighbours though!) I’m even getting some extra exercise walking across the room to turn the LP over every 15 minutes.  Bliss.

Take care, and hopefully we may hear something a bit more positive from SONOS soon.

Lyricist III
May 25, 2024

I’ve stepped my Sonos app back to 16.1 and (I hope) blocked upgrades on my speakers. And I can now play music from my library again.  Which, to be quite frank, is all I ever wanted my Sonos system to do, Play my music.

Now I read they've allegedly fixed some things.  And maybe there’s something I can do to reconfigure the Windows library to make it work.  But why would I want to go through that stress and aggravation (in order to find what functionality is still missing) when it already works?

And listening to the arrogant idiot that is the chief executive, congratulating himself on kicking his customers in the teeth, well, I hope he finds some new ones.

jorwinAuthor
Enthusiast II
May 25, 2024

 

 

 

I am really enjoying listening to all my Vinyl as it should be heard - if I crank the volume up to 10 I can even hear my music throughout my house (so, unfortunately, can the neighbours though!) I’m even getting some extra exercise walking across the room to turn the LP over every 15 minutes.  Bliss.

Take care, and hopefully we may hear something a bit more positive from SONOS soon.

That’s the spirit! Turning up the music was always the way to hear it everywhere :) And turning the LPs was a pleasant ritual - dusting them off, putting the needle right - unless you had an automatic turntable, of course - and accepting that after some minutes that was it and a new round of rituals were to begin.

It is not strange to see that the young ones today have picked up that idea, often turning against many modern inventions and valuing the older constructions of all kinds.

We who were seeking “simple life” have found “rich life” instead - as the providers didn’t want to give us that “simple” to put into our lives and we no longer want to take just whatever they are offering instead.

Life has again become our own.

jorwinAuthor
Enthusiast II
May 25, 2024

I’ve stepped my Sonos app back to 16.1 and (I hope) blocked upgrades on my speakers. And I can now play music from my library again.  Which, to be quite frank, is all I ever wanted my Sonos system to do, Play my music.

Now I read they've allegedly fixed some things.  And maybe there’s something I can do to reconfigure the Windows library to make it work.  But why would I want to go through that stress and aggravation (in order to find what functionality is still missing) when it already works?

And listening to the arrogant idiot that is the chief executive, congratulating himself on kicking his customers in the teeth, well, I hope he finds some new ones.

Yes, why would we volunteer to get kicked - again and again - by that company?

Trending Lyricist I
May 26, 2024

I’ve stepped my Sonos app back to 16.1 and (I hope) blocked upgrades on my speakers. And I can now play music from my library again.  Which, to be quite frank, is all I ever wanted my Sonos system to do, Play my music.

Now I read they've allegedly fixed some things.  And maybe there’s something I can do to reconfigure the Windows library to make it work.  But why would I want to go through that stress and aggravation (in order to find what functionality is still missing) when it already works?

And listening to the arrogant idiot that is the chief executive, congratulating himself on kicking his customers in the teeth, well, I hope he finds some new ones.

Hi Philip, without making it too technical, if you can, ‘cos I probably wouldn’t understand it,

  1. was your step back to 16.1 on your desktop (or laptop)?
  2. did the step back automatically pick up your music library? (I keep getting Error 913 when trying to pick up my iTunes library which disappeared from SONOS I suspect due to V16.2)
  3. were you, or are you using V80 of the SONOS controller to play your library and control your speakers alongside V16.1?
  4. How, please tell me, how you got back to 16.1….. I’m frustrated and desperate …. cheers