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Enthusiast II
May 15, 2024
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Alternative to Sonos

  • May 15, 2024
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I sent this to the Sonos CEO email, as this seems to be the only support option available. My main point is to find a solution on the bad situation I find myself in, with the non-functioning new app.

Anyone else, if not the CEO, is welcome to give their suggestions and comments, that may help me on the way. Thanks.

 

“Dear Sonos,

You have done something completely absurd, as you are aware of, by killing off a functioning app and replacing it with one that has close to no functions - a work in progress, at best, or a disaster of an app, when speaking realistically.

After some years without Sonos for my part, since you decided to kill off all older devices, threatening that if I didn't replace them with new ones I would be at risk of you sending out software updates at any time that would render my system useless, I decided to give you a chance again, ordering a Port.

The day after receiving this new device, before I had even managed to connect it and start using it, came this infamous app update.

I have one - one - purpose of owning a Sonos system: I want a player for the music I have in my own collection. CDs that I have copied to a local SAN and are playing from there.

This is hardly possible now. I was lucky to get the old desktop app before you stopped access to it, so that I at least in that app can make playlists - which most of the time are visible and playable from the mobile app.

In the mobile app, it happens from time to time that "My music" appears - and when it does, it sometimes stay long enough for me to see the music collection - in a somewhat useless form, as all contributing artists and their mother and neighbors seem to be in the list that, therefore, becomes extremely long - and since it is not searchable, I can effectively see only the first few letters of the alphabet. When it works at all, that is.

And what can I do with that music overview? I can pick one tune. Or one album. And play it directly. That's it.

If I pick an album, I cannot see the tunes on it in the queue, which is called empty, even though the system does play song after song until that album is over.

If I try with the web app, I can always see My music, and I can pick an artist, if I want - but wanting this means accepting that all tunes by that artist will be played either alphabetically or in random order (if I push that button). I cannot get them played in the order they are on the albums.

So, back to the old desktop app that I now do not dare to upgrade, even though it constantly asks me to do so: There, I can make playlists of albums that will be played in the correct order.

You want so much that I upgrade that app, but what will come out of it? I expect nothing good.

My take on all this is that you have ruined my joy of ownership of that new thing, the Port, like you previously did with the older devices I had. It was wrong of me to give you another chance. You have not proved worthy of that.

So, apart from not buying any more devices from Sonos, due to this failure of delivering what you sold me, I will again start looking for an alternative. 

You are in general lucky, in that the competition is very poor. I tried out Yamaha's MusicCast and Denon's Heos, and where Yamaha had great hardware, they had a terrible app. Where Denon had a useful app, they had malfunctioning hardware. Sonos used to be the combination of good hardware and software, even though you several times have shown a lack of sense of fair business, but now you have the most miserable app of them all, making it impossible to utilize the hardware, so it no longer matters if that is good or bad.

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

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Best answer by wayneo123

Given that this is not the first time sonos has shown questionable customer service (S1 - S2 precedent), there is no way I am remaining in their eco system.

 

I have therefore started the process of changing my hardware.

A sonos amp (paired with monitor audio silver 100s) has been replaced with a pair KEF LSII speakers (active with streaming built in) which I am very pleased with and were cheaper than the original pairing.

Currently looking at replacing my other amp with a WiiM amp or a Bluesound Powernode.

The 2 ports I have will be replaced with a Bluesound node or WiiM Pro Plus.

All of the devices in question are Roon Ready and I have taken out a Roon subscription (which to be honest is a bit on the pricey side) but it will give me a unified point of entry for any of the hardware I choose. That way I am not tied to any hardware vendor. Should any them act in the reprehensible way that sonos have.

Unfortunately I will still have my arc I use in the bedroom. It’s wall hung and the room has just been decorated otherwise I would have probably replaced it with KEF LS50’s given how good their smaller siblings are.

 

105 replies

Local Superstar
May 19, 2024

@Bumper Thanks, but I was testing the high-res out on a bluesound node and KEF LX IIs (I have started replacing my Sonos equipment).

@Kumar, not sure I would be able to tell the difference on a blind test either - I just wanted to test the Roon and the lms software and compare.

@castalla I have installed the material plugin and couldn’t find (albeit I only l looked briefly) the setting you show in your screenshot. I will revert back to the default skin and amend the setting.

I have also installed iPeng app on my iPhone which was no extra cost as I had installed it back in the day when I was using LMS.

Thanks all for your contribution 👍

Do you mean the Music & Artist Info screen?  It's a plugin (3rd party, I think). 

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Local Superstar
May 19, 2024

Manage Players Screen (with updating mini screen artwork) 

 

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Collaborator II
May 19, 2024

All up and running now and I have the expected sampling rate. It seems that the Qobuz plugin was the limiting factor when carrying out the initial testing.

Not sure if I will pick this over Roon at present. That said, I may well use LMS for the alarm functionality in the future, currently neither roon or the kef app have built-in alarm functionality, so if I do swap out my current sonos bedroom speakers I will have access to alarm functionality. I was going to attempt to do this via automations in Home Assistant.

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
Local Superstar
May 19, 2024

Excellent!  

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Contributor I
May 19, 2024

I’ll be installing Denon HEOS this week, instead of Sonos. This is because Sonos ran the update in the middle of my Sonos installation, and I was unable to complete the install. 

I have to pull all of the whole house Sonos equipment out, and install HEOS to remedy this absurdity.

Denon HEOS and Yamaha Musiccast are viable alternatives. I’m sure there are other alternatives as well.

I will no longer recomend Sonos to anyone, if Sonos doesn’t take immediate, effective, corrective action, like rollback to version 16.

jorwinAuthor
Enthusiast II
May 19, 2024

I’ll be installing Denon HEOS this week, instead of Sonos. This is because Sonos ran the update in the middle of my Sonos installation, and I was unable to complete the install. 

I have to pull all of the whole house Sonos equipment out, and install HEOS to remedy this absurdity.

Denon HEOS and Yamaha Musiccast are viable alternatives. I’m sure there are other alternatives as well.

I will no longer recomend Sonos to anyone, if Sonos doesn’t take immediate, effective, corrective action, like rollback to version 16.

I hope that Heos will work for you, but I had big problems with my two AV amplifiers from Denon with built-in Heos - they apparantly loose the network connection every now and then, and it has been reported since Heos was invented in 2007 or there about, and it still happens.

My own experience says that when it happens, it can then stay like this for a minute, an hour, a day, or several weeks. Resetting the network may help, or not, updating the firmware, etc. may or may not help for a while, then it is bad again.

The USB connector doesn’t work either when it happens (so playing back from a USB disk isn’t possible). Or, that is - it does…! The AV amplifiers can act as DLNA servers with a USB disk connected, containing the contents, and this still works even when Heos claims that there is no network - other devices in my network can see and use the Denon DLNA as if nothing had happened, all while the device itself claims that there is not network connection and refuses to play neither my own music collection from any medium, nor internet radio.

I have not tried any dedicated Heos devices - maybe they are better.

Otherwise, the mobile app is quite good to use and I enjoyed it when it worked.

Yamaha’s MusicCast I also tried, and it works well. Only, the app is not a masterpiece, to put it nicely. The queue is not very long, it doesn't tell what is actually in the metadata for the music, just a selection of it (for instance, you may not be told which album a tune is from or some other arbitrary info left out), and there are a maximum of 5 playlists, each with max 200 tunes.

The worst part is that MusicCast makes a several seconds long pause between the tunes, which for some kinds of music is quite annoying. But the sound that comes out of it is great and for the most part, it is possible to listen to music through this system.

Much better seems Bluesound that I have tried for a few days now, though only with one device, and then people speak about WiiM as a good and less costly alternative.

With Roon you can control several different media players and send them your music queue that you can set up as you wish - also an advise from the forum; I am testing this now.

Local Superstar
May 20, 2024

The Wiim range (90-350 usd) are excellent - decent app too!  You need powered speakers for each unit, however.

All, except the cheapest Mini, are Roon and Lyrion ready. 

It's the courageous bee's knees - all 6 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝. - - - - - Make Sonos Great Again - - - - -
Local Superstar
May 20, 2024

Wiim's also have chromecast. 

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Collaborator II
May 20, 2024

I got the WiiM amp delivered yesterday (chose it over the Bluesound Powernode as a replacement for a sonos amp).

I have to say I am pretty impressed. I had read rave reviews about them, but I still had nagging doubt given the relative cheapness of the product.

The finish was good and as @castalla said the app is pretty decent as well.

It may potentially struggle to fill big rooms, but apart from that, I can’t fault it. It’s an absolute steal for the price (£319).

I may well end up in profit when I sell the sonos amp it replaced (assuming sonos finally get their @rse in gear and fix the app ).

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
Prominent Collaborator I
May 21, 2024

I recieved a reply - unfortunately not from the CEO but from the well-meaning support. Here it is, and following is what I responded.

It doesn’t look like anybody in the “community” really cares, so I will leave with this as my final words.

 

Dear Jörgen,

Thank you for reaching out to share your feedback about the new Sonos app.

...We are committed to providing our users with the best possible experience, and we are working tirelessly to reinstate some important features in the app in the coming weeks.

 

 

 

This is nonsense corporate script.  They are absolutely not committed to providing users with the best possible experience or they would immediately pull this release and let users rollback.  What a disingenuous crock of $#%#.

I don’t know what’s up with them - must be getting heat from the BOD over poor growth / sales.  Well this ain’t how you fix that.  I imagine a lot of users have about all the product they can use - after years and years, I do.  So they force an upgrade on the hardware that should have been enough to tell us they are not committed to customers at all.  Now they are at it again and the CEO clearly has zero interest in our email feedback.  I feel like they are heading for a “TiVo” moment of irrelevance. I’m voting with my money now:
 

  • no Sonos music subs for me
  • no headphones or whatever life raft they are pitching that forced this software release
  • no new speakers or amps or ports - when they break, I’m looking elsewhere