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Enthusiast II
May 15, 2024
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Alternative to Sonos

  • May 15, 2024
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I sent this to the Sonos CEO email, as this seems to be the only support option available. My main point is to find a solution on the bad situation I find myself in, with the non-functioning new app.

Anyone else, if not the CEO, is welcome to give their suggestions and comments, that may help me on the way. Thanks.

 

“Dear Sonos,

You have done something completely absurd, as you are aware of, by killing off a functioning app and replacing it with one that has close to no functions - a work in progress, at best, or a disaster of an app, when speaking realistically.

After some years without Sonos for my part, since you decided to kill off all older devices, threatening that if I didn't replace them with new ones I would be at risk of you sending out software updates at any time that would render my system useless, I decided to give you a chance again, ordering a Port.

The day after receiving this new device, before I had even managed to connect it and start using it, came this infamous app update.

I have one - one - purpose of owning a Sonos system: I want a player for the music I have in my own collection. CDs that I have copied to a local SAN and are playing from there.

This is hardly possible now. I was lucky to get the old desktop app before you stopped access to it, so that I at least in that app can make playlists - which most of the time are visible and playable from the mobile app.

In the mobile app, it happens from time to time that "My music" appears - and when it does, it sometimes stay long enough for me to see the music collection - in a somewhat useless form, as all contributing artists and their mother and neighbors seem to be in the list that, therefore, becomes extremely long - and since it is not searchable, I can effectively see only the first few letters of the alphabet. When it works at all, that is.

And what can I do with that music overview? I can pick one tune. Or one album. And play it directly. That's it.

If I pick an album, I cannot see the tunes on it in the queue, which is called empty, even though the system does play song after song until that album is over.

If I try with the web app, I can always see My music, and I can pick an artist, if I want - but wanting this means accepting that all tunes by that artist will be played either alphabetically or in random order (if I push that button). I cannot get them played in the order they are on the albums.

So, back to the old desktop app that I now do not dare to upgrade, even though it constantly asks me to do so: There, I can make playlists of albums that will be played in the correct order.

You want so much that I upgrade that app, but what will come out of it? I expect nothing good.

My take on all this is that you have ruined my joy of ownership of that new thing, the Port, like you previously did with the older devices I had. It was wrong of me to give you another chance. You have not proved worthy of that.

So, apart from not buying any more devices from Sonos, due to this failure of delivering what you sold me, I will again start looking for an alternative. 

You are in general lucky, in that the competition is very poor. I tried out Yamaha's MusicCast and Denon's Heos, and where Yamaha had great hardware, they had a terrible app. Where Denon had a useful app, they had malfunctioning hardware. Sonos used to be the combination of good hardware and software, even though you several times have shown a lack of sense of fair business, but now you have the most miserable app of them all, making it impossible to utilize the hardware, so it no longer matters if that is good or bad.

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

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Best answer by wayneo123

Given that this is not the first time sonos has shown questionable customer service (S1 - S2 precedent), there is no way I am remaining in their eco system.

 

I have therefore started the process of changing my hardware.

A sonos amp (paired with monitor audio silver 100s) has been replaced with a pair KEF LSII speakers (active with streaming built in) which I am very pleased with and were cheaper than the original pairing.

Currently looking at replacing my other amp with a WiiM amp or a Bluesound Powernode.

The 2 ports I have will be replaced with a Bluesound node or WiiM Pro Plus.

All of the devices in question are Roon Ready and I have taken out a Roon subscription (which to be honest is a bit on the pricey side) but it will give me a unified point of entry for any of the hardware I choose. That way I am not tied to any hardware vendor. Should any them act in the reprehensible way that sonos have.

Unfortunately I will still have my arc I use in the bedroom. It’s wall hung and the room has just been decorated otherwise I would have probably replaced it with KEF LS50’s given how good their smaller siblings are.

 

105 replies

Collaborator II
May 18, 2024

@castalla with the old squeezebox software, does it allow control of all the various devices or is it a dlna server like serviio. I’ve installed it my nas previously when I had squeezebox devices, but it was a while ago and I didn’t go that deeply into it.

Also does it also do the conversion of the format like Roon?

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
May 18, 2024

Spotify Connect isn't a replacement.  It's Spotify only. 

Good grief! 

Bluesound speakers can suffer from STICKY GOO syndrome within 2 years - no fix. 

 

The soft plastic sticky goo syndrome has been fixed since 2020 according to Bluesound product manager.

Bluesound app has also some issues as well, but at least it recognizes the speakers and it can adjust volume. Furthermore it has the function that you can click on a song and then that song is played on the speaker.

 

Local Superstar
May 18, 2024

@castalla with the old squeezebox software, does it allow control of all the various devices or is it a dlna server like serviio. I’ve installed it my nas previously when I had squeezebox devices, but it was a while ago and I didn’t go that deeply into it.

Also does it also do the conversion of the format like Roon?

 @wayneo123

You can control all devices which are active. Not sure what you mean by conversion of format. 

Pic shows all the players on my system (various brands) 

 

It's the courageous bee's knees - all 6 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝. - - - - - Make Sonos Great Again - - - - -
Collaborator II
May 18, 2024

Cheers @castalla, I have a spare raspberry pi 5 floating around somewhere so I will give it go.

 

I assume it’s web based and there is no associated iOS app?

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
Local Superstar
May 18, 2024

Cheers @castalla, I have a spare raspberry pi 5 floating around somewhere so I will give it go.

 

I assume it’s web based and there is no associated iOS app?

Okay. The control interface is browser based.  Once you have LMS running (look for the Picoreplayer OS to put on the pi) you install a plugin called Material Skin.  This gives the browser interface which I've used. Safari works. 

(Edited by me to remove links.!) 

It's the courageous bee's knees - all 6 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝. - - - - - Make Sonos Great Again - - - - -
Collaborator II
May 18, 2024

@castalla lms is installed and up and running.

All my player were found and I could play music on them (this is obviously alien concept to Sonos). The interface is not quite as polished as Roon, but then I wouldn’t expect it to be as it’s open source. That said, it’s functional and does the job.

My only concern at the moment is that it seems to downsample high-res files (ie 24bit 192Khz) to 16bit 44.1 kHz. 
Also I have had a couple of dropouts of the sound.

i will do some more tinkering tomorrow.

Thanks for putting me on to this.

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.
Local Superstar
May 19, 2024

@castalla lms is installed and up and running.

All my player were found and I could play music on them (this is obviously alien concept to Sonos). The interface is not quite as polished as Roon, but then I wouldn’t expect it to be as it’s open source. That said, it’s functional and does the job.

My only concern at the moment is that it seems to downsample high-res files (ie 24bit 192Khz) to 16bit 44.1 kHz. 
Also I have had a couple of dropouts of the sound.

i will do some more tinkering tomorrow.

Thanks for putting me on to this.

Great!  Did you install the material skin plugin? Sorry, no idea about the down sampling - my hearing is so shot I wouldn't notice!

You can check the upnpbridge settings:

 

It's the courageous bee's knees - all 6 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝. - - - - - Make Sonos Great Again - - - - -
May 19, 2024

 Sorry, no idea about the down sampling - my hearing is so shot I wouldn't notice!

 

 

I would not fuss about the downsampling, in a blind level matched listening test, no one in the world has shown that they can hear any difference. No one human, that is, on kit of any cost.

Bumper
May 19, 2024

@castalla lms is installed and up and running.

All my player were found and I could play music on them (this is obviously alien concept to Sonos). The interface is not quite as polished as Roon, but then I wouldn’t expect it to be as it’s open source. That said, it’s functional and does the job.

My only concern at the moment is that it seems to downsample high-res files (ie 24bit 192Khz) to 16bit 44.1 kHz. 
Also I have had a couple of dropouts of the sound.

i will do some more tinkering tomorrow.

Thanks for putting me on to this.

Sonos play 24/48 max so if lms was sending 24/192 it needs a down sample to play. 

Collaborator II
May 19, 2024

@Bumper Thanks, but I was testing the high-res out on a bluesound node and KEF LX IIs (I have started replacing my Sonos equipment).

@Kumar, not sure I would be able to tell the difference on a blind test either - I just wanted to test the Roon and the lms software and compare.

@castalla I have installed the material plugin and couldn’t find (albeit I only l looked briefly) the setting you show in your screenshot. I will revert back to the default skin and amend the setting.

I have also installed iPeng app on my iPhone which was no extra cost as I had installed it back in the day when I was using LMS.

Thanks all for your contribution 👍

All Sonos products replaced due to appalling app and sheer arrogance of CEO.