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Enthusiast II
May 15, 2024
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Alternative to Sonos

  • May 15, 2024
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I sent this to the Sonos CEO email, as this seems to be the only support option available. My main point is to find a solution on the bad situation I find myself in, with the non-functioning new app.

Anyone else, if not the CEO, is welcome to give their suggestions and comments, that may help me on the way. Thanks.

 

“Dear Sonos,

You have done something completely absurd, as you are aware of, by killing off a functioning app and replacing it with one that has close to no functions - a work in progress, at best, or a disaster of an app, when speaking realistically.

After some years without Sonos for my part, since you decided to kill off all older devices, threatening that if I didn't replace them with new ones I would be at risk of you sending out software updates at any time that would render my system useless, I decided to give you a chance again, ordering a Port.

The day after receiving this new device, before I had even managed to connect it and start using it, came this infamous app update.

I have one - one - purpose of owning a Sonos system: I want a player for the music I have in my own collection. CDs that I have copied to a local SAN and are playing from there.

This is hardly possible now. I was lucky to get the old desktop app before you stopped access to it, so that I at least in that app can make playlists - which most of the time are visible and playable from the mobile app.

In the mobile app, it happens from time to time that "My music" appears - and when it does, it sometimes stay long enough for me to see the music collection - in a somewhat useless form, as all contributing artists and their mother and neighbors seem to be in the list that, therefore, becomes extremely long - and since it is not searchable, I can effectively see only the first few letters of the alphabet. When it works at all, that is.

And what can I do with that music overview? I can pick one tune. Or one album. And play it directly. That's it.

If I pick an album, I cannot see the tunes on it in the queue, which is called empty, even though the system does play song after song until that album is over.

If I try with the web app, I can always see My music, and I can pick an artist, if I want - but wanting this means accepting that all tunes by that artist will be played either alphabetically or in random order (if I push that button). I cannot get them played in the order they are on the albums.

So, back to the old desktop app that I now do not dare to upgrade, even though it constantly asks me to do so: There, I can make playlists of albums that will be played in the correct order.

You want so much that I upgrade that app, but what will come out of it? I expect nothing good.

My take on all this is that you have ruined my joy of ownership of that new thing, the Port, like you previously did with the older devices I had. It was wrong of me to give you another chance. You have not proved worthy of that.

So, apart from not buying any more devices from Sonos, due to this failure of delivering what you sold me, I will again start looking for an alternative. 

You are in general lucky, in that the competition is very poor. I tried out Yamaha's MusicCast and Denon's Heos, and where Yamaha had great hardware, they had a terrible app. Where Denon had a useful app, they had malfunctioning hardware. Sonos used to be the combination of good hardware and software, even though you several times have shown a lack of sense of fair business, but now you have the most miserable app of them all, making it impossible to utilize the hardware, so it no longer matters if that is good or bad.

I hope that there is a fourth or a fifth player on the market that I can find and shift to. And since you obviously do not want me as a customer (making my ownership experience as miserable as possible), you probably wouldn't mind that I move to a competitor? 

So, please advise on who is providing a system for playing music that actually works.”

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Best answer by wayneo123

Given that this is not the first time sonos has shown questionable customer service (S1 - S2 precedent), there is no way I am remaining in their eco system.

 

I have therefore started the process of changing my hardware.

A sonos amp (paired with monitor audio silver 100s) has been replaced with a pair KEF LSII speakers (active with streaming built in) which I am very pleased with and were cheaper than the original pairing.

Currently looking at replacing my other amp with a WiiM amp or a Bluesound Powernode.

The 2 ports I have will be replaced with a Bluesound node or WiiM Pro Plus.

All of the devices in question are Roon Ready and I have taken out a Roon subscription (which to be honest is a bit on the pricey side) but it will give me a unified point of entry for any of the hardware I choose. That way I am not tied to any hardware vendor. Should any them act in the reprehensible way that sonos have.

Unfortunately I will still have my arc I use in the bedroom. It’s wall hung and the room has just been decorated otherwise I would have probably replaced it with KEF LS50’s given how good their smaller siblings are.

 

105 replies

Contributor I
May 27, 2024

Sonos has finally found a solution to our problems with the app- turn off your Sonos and don’t use it until they finally fix all the problems.  In the meanwhile, buy the headphones.

Trending Lyricist I
May 28, 2024

I’ll be installing Denon HEOS this week, instead of Sonos. This is because Sonos ran the update in the middle of my Sonos installation, and I was unable to complete the install. 

I have to pull all of the whole house Sonos equipment out, and install HEOS to remedy this absurdity.

Denon HEOS and Yamaha Musiccast are viable alternatives. I’m sure there are other alternatives as well.

I will no longer recomend Sonos to anyone, if Sonos doesn’t take immediate, effective, corrective action, like rollback to version 16.

I recently upgraded my AVR to a Denon with HEOS “built in”. So I copied all my music library to a large USB “stick” and plugged it in to the Denon and downloaded the Android version of HEOS to my phone. I have to say that I am well impressed with the app so far. Of course it currently only works in my lounge where the Denon is connected to a 5.1 speaker set up. Apart from the USB input, HEOS links to streamers such as Amazon Music, Tune In etc. Album art included and flac files are supported in library music . I still have my Sonos kit and continue to use it with S2 16.1 which works fine. But if the new Sonos app doesn’t get sorted to same functionality I may well be investing in other HEOS speakers to replace my sonos ones in the other rooms in the house, There is no subscription fee to use HEOS but you do need to create an account with them.

Belly M
May 28, 2024

Spotify Connect isn't a replacement.  It's Spotify only. 

Good grief! 

Bluesound speakers can suffer from STICKY GOO syndrome within 2 years - no fix. 

That was an issue but the coating was removed on new devices a few years back, the Pulse Flex speaker actually has silicone skins available which solves this or you can remove the sticky coating on older devices,with pure alcohol.

Contributor I
June 5, 2024

I switched to Wiim Pro boxes after 13 years of Sonos loyalty. Why did I switch? I had either a 3 or 4 zone setup over those years, that was mostly stable and a satisfying experience. Then came S2, obsoleting two of my players. The last two years with Sonos were spent constantly resetting Sonos players and being told my “wireless environment” is the issue. I finally realized that for the price of selling one my Sonos players on Ebay I could buy 3 Wiim Pro boxes that run on 5G  (what a novel concept, modern wireless protocol).  I’ve had six months of flawless whole house music and wonder why I and others stuck with Sonos so long. I still haven’t gotten over the feeling of being used. 

Trending Lyricist I
June 9, 2024

Sonos sucks!!!!!!!

Avid Contributor I
June 10, 2024

Jorwin, great email to sonos CEO but it was a predictable boiler plate response, the kind you get when a company outsources tech support, and spend 5 mins hearing them tell you how sorry they are, acknowledging our frustrations, but be assured, they are there to help you fix the problem, etc. etc. etc.

I doubt that 1 million emails like yours will have any effect.

I almost gave up on sonos way back when when suddenly my original many of them, speakers were no longer operable. And sonos response was, I think it was, return the old ones and they’d give you a $25 credit towards a new one, or some rediculus “solution”. 

I gave all my sonos away but them decided I’ve give them another try.

Well, in my world of current technology, it’s 2 strikes and you’re out.

Avid Contributor I
June 10, 2024

Dickos, thanks for the recommendation for sonos REPLACEMENTS. I hope others weigh in on their new replacement-of-sonos-speakers. 

I am now going to  Wiim Pro website and start purchasing.

Bye, bye, sonos.

as the saying goes, too little too late (if ever, in your case)

Avid Contributor I
June 10, 2024

User302029 suggested “in the meanwhile, but the headphones.”   the sonos headphones? Never in a million years. I would never buy another sonos product and I was just about to buy the sonos headphones. I’m glad I didn’t.

 

June 16, 2024

Sonos are dead to me. Literally as my setup does not work without the app and I've uninstalled it as it was visibly draining the battery. I've had the fanboyz who complain about newcomers moaning tell me my equipment is too old. For me it's anything BUT Sonos. I'd rather have a 20£ Bluetooth speaker from Argos than this again. I'm moving in October and will invest in quality then, probably Linn or equivalent with a dedicated music library server. 

jorwinAuthor
Enthusiast II
June 16, 2024

I switched to Wiim Pro boxes after 13 years of Sonos loyalty. Why did I switch? I had either a 3 or 4 zone setup over those years, that was mostly stable and a satisfying experience. Then came S2, obsoleting two of my players. The last two years with Sonos were spent constantly resetting Sonos players and being told my “wireless environment” is the issue. I finally realized that for the price of selling one my Sonos players on Ebay I could buy 3 Wiim Pro boxes that run on 5G  (what a novel concept, modern wireless protocol).  I’ve had six months of flawless whole house music and wonder why I and others stuck with Sonos so long. I still haven’t gotten over the feeling of being used. 

I can agree on that - the WiiMs just work, and they sound nice. I have a WiiM AMP and a Pro Plus. Also, in my new system is a Bluesound Node connected to one of the otherwise miserable Denon amplifiers (bought for their HEOS that doesn’t work) having excellent quality of sound in the amplifier itself - and I really enjoy this setup.

Especially controlling it from Roon, this leading to a close to perfect system that I really enjoy. And if either Roon, Bluesound, or WiiM should decide to make “a Sonos” and destroy their app, I can continue listening to my music almost as if nothing had happened. I just added a dedicated small computer for Room (an Intel NUC) and it added additional pleasure to using the system. And using 5 or 6 Hz on the WiFi - out of the box - no problems at all, makes it as fast as it gets.

Sonos-loyalty is silly, when considering that even Sonos devices can be blended into this system, if I want - as just one more brand of dumb media players.