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Contributor I
May 19, 2020
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Add new components to old S1 system after S2 launch.

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Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

 

I know that every time I add a new speaker to my existing system, it forces me to update every controller and speaker to the latest version before bringing the new speaker online.  (That’s how I lost the ability to use old controllers, even though we don’t use any features that weren’t there 10 years ago.)

It would cost thousands to replace my legacy speakers (that are still working well), and our most common usage case is “party mode” with everything linked together and in sync, so a split system is not appealing.

We’ve been working our way through the facility, buying another speaker every six months.  Do I have to hurry up and buy the rest of the rooms before June? 

 

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Best answer by Corry P

Hi Folks

I realise this is an old topic, but it is a popular one, plus there’s been a lot of confusion on this thread so I’ll try to clear some things up for you all.

Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

Yes, as long as they are not S2 only devices (Five, Sub gen 3, Arc).

We’ve been working our way through the facility, buying another speaker every six months.  Do I have to hurry up and buy the rest of the rooms before June?

No. There’s no hurry. In fact, there’s no need - your system will continue to work on S1 for the foreseeable future, and as you can add new devices, you’re not locked-in either.

 

Devices that are S1 Compatible only will only work on S1 (it’s in the label). Newly designed devices (currently Arc, Five, Sub gen 3) will only work on S2. See our Sonos S2 Compatibility page for the full lists of devices. All other devices will work on either S1 or S2, and can be moved at will between them, but will need a factory reset prior to being added to either S1 or S2 (the light should be flashing green).


To be clear, if you buy a S1/S2 compatible device (like a Sonos Amp, for example) you can add it to a S1 or S2 system. Devices that already have S2 firmware installed from the factory can be added to an S1 system only if there are existing devices on S1 already. If you do not have existing devices on S1, a product loaded with S2 cannot create a S1 system.


When adding a product to either S1 or S2, the system will update it. It will only update to the most recent version available, so if your system is not up to date, the entire system will be updated. If you are avoiding updates as your controller OS is out-of-date, you will need to update your controller(s) to continue using your Sonos equipment (if you allow the update), or at least to add more units.


S1 and S2 OS requirements for your controllers are the same, and will likely remain that way, though I cannot guarantee this will remain the case going forward - the changes in our OS requirements are often due to the requirements of our music/voice service partners. In addition, it is inefficient to test software on out-of-date OSes that should no longer be in use due to security concerns. Our current controller OS requirements can be found on our Sonos App Requirements help page. Please also check our Unsupported OS Versions page for partially supported OS version that allow you to select and play music to rooms, but not configure your Sonos system.


An S1 system will not update itself to S2 without you (or someone on your network) installing the S2 app. If you want your system to be in one piece (all rooms available on one app) and you have both S1 only devices and those willing to run on S2, don’t install the S2 app. If you’re willing to have a split system, with some rooms on S1 and some on S2, the upgrade should be done from the S1 app - Settings » System » System Tools » System Compatibility Check. After this, your S1 products will be reset and you will need to setup a new system on S1 consisting only of your S1 only devices. This is so your S1 and S2 units do not consider themselves as parts of the same system.

 

With all that said, I think you will find that S2 is quite good, and continues to get better with every release.

I hope this clears things up for you all. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.

73 replies

Lyricist III
June 10, 2020

Does anyone know if any Sonos products currently compatible with S2 will at some point in the future become non-compatible?

 

I have 5 Play 1s in my setup, 2 of them paired with a gen-2 sub. I can see Play 1s being next on the list for becoming legacy - would they mean they stop working with S2? This would mean my sub pairing broke too. 
 

I’ve read that you can’t move speakers from S2 to S1 though, so I suppose they wouldn’t be able to do that unless they made the Play 1s completely useless, which I don’t think they’d do would they?

pwt
Virtuoso
June 10, 2020

Does anyone know if any Sonos products currently compatible with S2 will at some point in the future become non-compatible?

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I’ve read that you can’t move speakers from S2 to S1 though, so I suppose they wouldn’t be able to do that unless they made the Play 1s completely useless, which I don’t think they’d do would they?

It’s more likely that -- at some point in the future -- there will be a Sonos S3 update that only newer devices will be able to support.

FWIW, it is currently possible to remove a speaker from an S2 system and add it to an S1 system, via a factory reset. This does not apply to the new products (Arc, Five, Sub G3) which will not run on S1.

4 x P:5 | Sub | 4 x P:1 | 3 x Connect | 2 x Boost | Connect:Amp | 2 x One | Amp | Move | Port | Era 300
Lyricist III
June 10, 2020

Does anyone know if any Sonos products currently compatible with S2 will at some point in the future become non-compatible?

...

I’ve read that you can’t move speakers from S2 to S1 though, so I suppose they wouldn’t be able to do that unless they made the Play 1s completely useless, which I don’t think they’d do would they?

It’s more likely that -- at some point in the future -- there will be a Sonos S3 update that only newer devices will be able to support.

FWIW, it is currently possible to remove a speaker from an S2 system and add it to an S1 system, via a factory reset. This does not apply to the new products (Arc, Five, Sub G3) which will not run on S1.

Ah the factory reset thing is v good to know. It de-risks the upgrade for me as it means I could, if I had to, downgrade everything back to S1 at some point in the future. It also means you don’t have to worry if a pre-2020 speaker is S1 or S2 if buying second hand. 
 

Sonos specifically write In their guidance that you can’t move a speaker from S2 to S1 - but I suppose this reloads the S1 firmware onto the device so acts as a workaround?

pwt
Virtuoso
June 10, 2020

Ah the factory reset thing is v good to know. It de-risks the upgrade for me as it means I could, if I had to, downgrade everything back to S1 at some point in the future. It also means you don’t have to worry if a pre-2020 speaker is S1 or S2 if buying second hand. 

Sonos specifically write In their guidance that you can’t move a speaker from S2 to S1 - but I suppose this reloads the S1 firmware onto the device so acts as a workaround?

That’s why I said ‘currently’. As you note, the Sonos guidance states that it’s not possible to go S2 → S1, but it turns out that it is. Whether this remains the case is to be determined; Sonos could disable it.

4 x P:5 | Sub | 4 x P:1 | 3 x Connect | 2 x Boost | Connect:Amp | 2 x One | Amp | Move | Port | Era 300
Lyricist I
June 11, 2020

I can’t add an extra S1 device to my existing S1 speaker using the S1 app…

I have the iOS S1 and S2 apps installed.

Removed all my newer S2 devices from the network and unplugged them from power. So now I have an old Play:5 S1 running fine with the S1 app. So far so good.

Next, I want to add another S1 device that I borrowed from a friend.

This is what I do:

  • Start the S1 app
  • Settings, System
  • + Add Product
  • Before I can even choose which product, the S1 app says: Sonos app needs updating. Tap the button below to go to the app store. This leads to the App Store S2 app.
  • But, I already have both S1 and S2 apps installed, last version.
  • So, I’m stuck.

Any ideas?

 

Lyricist III
June 11, 2020

Does anyone know if any Sonos products currently compatible with S2 will at some point in the future become non-compatible?

...

I’ve read that you can’t move speakers from S2 to S1 though, so I suppose they wouldn’t be able to do that unless they made the Play 1s completely useless, which I don’t think they’d do would they?

It’s more likely that -- at some point in the future -- there will be a Sonos S3 update that only newer devices will be able to support.

FWIW, it is currently possible to remove a speaker from an S2 system and add it to an S1 system, via a factory reset. This does not apply to the new products (Arc, Five, Sub G3) which will not run on S1.


I called Sonos today and they said that any device that currently works on S2 will always work on S2. So no worries about devices getting stuck on S2. 
 

I also asked about the downgrade work around - he started by saying it couldn’t be done but then conceded he hadn’t tried and it wasn’t guidance they gave. 
 

But knowing my Play 1s will never stop working on S2 is good enough for me for now I think. 

Contributor II
June 17, 2020

“I called Sonos today and they said that any device that currently works on S2 will always work on S2. So no worries about devices getting stuck on S2.”

 

:rofl: I gave up believing what they “say” a long time ago. I remember when the app was first introduced years ago they told everyone on the forum to relax, that tthey had no intention of ever discontinuing the standalone Controller. Five’ll get ya ten the S3 is already in the early planning stages to be released when cash infusion will be urgently needed. And how does one go about getting a large influx of new cash from a stable and content user base?

 

 

Lyricist I
June 21, 2020

 

It’s more likely that -- at some point in the future -- there will be a Sonos S3 update that only newer devices will be able to support.

FWIW, it is currently possible to remove a speaker from an S2 system and add it to an S1 system, via a factory reset. This does not apply to the new products (Arc, Five, Sub G3) which will not run on S1.

I have a Play 1 speaker that was upgraded to S2 (by accident as I thought S2 was just the latest Sonos app). It is the only speaker on a system at our cottage, which we brought from our primary residence. I discovered that parts of our system at our primary residence will not work on S2, so I attempted to get rid of the S2 controller and replace it with the old S1. And that's when the trouble began

I tried re-adding the Play 1 to an S1 network. Couldn’t find the speaker. So I factory reset it. Went through what looked like was going to be a succesful “set up new network” process, until the app said “this product is only compatible with the S2 app". I suspect that either there was a firmware upgrade to this speaker that remains even after factory reset (seems doubtful), or as an earlier poster said, the S1 app is checking for firmware updates and even the factory reset speaker is now only ever able to work on S2. 

Any ideas? I have a feeling I am going to have to use the S2 app at our cottage, and run a split system back home when we bring the speaker back.

 

Lyricist I
June 23, 2020

I managed to fix my issue (using both S1 and S2 speakers in one network):

  • disconnect all your Sonos devices from power
  • uninstall S1 and S2 apps
  • connect one S1 speaker to power / UTP cable
  • install S1 app
  • try to connect to existing speaker
  • if that does not work: reset S1 speaker to factory defaults (google it for your speaker type how to)
  • add a new S1 speaker
  • add another S1 speaker if you have repeating the above 3 steps
  • now you have a working S1 setup
  • then install the S2 app
  • add S2 speakers in the same manner.

This way, my living room has 3 S2 speakers, and my home office has S1.

 

 

Trending Lyricist I
July 21, 2020

Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

 

I know that every time I add a new speaker to my existing system, it forces me to update every controller and speaker to the latest version before bringing the new speaker online.  (That’s how I lost the ability to use old controllers, even though we don’t use any features that weren’t there 10 years ago.)

 

 

 

Currently this is not possible.  I just got a new Play1 and wanted to add it to my existing system of three other Play1s running S1 controller.  When I go to Settings>Add Device it forces me to an upgrade to S2 before I can add the new Play1 speaker.   As far as I can tell, there is currently no way around this which runs contrary to what Sonos indicated regarding being able to continue to use an existing S1 network.

 

While all of my gear is technically S2 compatible, I have heard way too many horror stories about the new S2 controller and I would prefer to wait a few more months while Sonos gets the bugs worked out before upgrading.  It looks like I may have to wait two more months before I can use my new speaker too...