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Contributor I
May 19, 2020
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Add new components to old S1 system after S2 launch.

  • May 19, 2020
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Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

 

I know that every time I add a new speaker to my existing system, it forces me to update every controller and speaker to the latest version before bringing the new speaker online.  (That’s how I lost the ability to use old controllers, even though we don’t use any features that weren’t there 10 years ago.)

It would cost thousands to replace my legacy speakers (that are still working well), and our most common usage case is “party mode” with everything linked together and in sync, so a split system is not appealing.

We’ve been working our way through the facility, buying another speaker every six months.  Do I have to hurry up and buy the rest of the rooms before June? 

 

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Best answer by Corry P

Hi Folks

I realise this is an old topic, but it is a popular one, plus there’s been a lot of confusion on this thread so I’ll try to clear some things up for you all.

Once S2 is released, will I still be able to buy new speakers and add them to a legacy system?

Yes, as long as they are not S2 only devices (Five, Sub gen 3, Arc).

We’ve been working our way through the facility, buying another speaker every six months.  Do I have to hurry up and buy the rest of the rooms before June?

No. There’s no hurry. In fact, there’s no need - your system will continue to work on S1 for the foreseeable future, and as you can add new devices, you’re not locked-in either.

 

Devices that are S1 Compatible only will only work on S1 (it’s in the label). Newly designed devices (currently Arc, Five, Sub gen 3) will only work on S2. See our Sonos S2 Compatibility page for the full lists of devices. All other devices will work on either S1 or S2, and can be moved at will between them, but will need a factory reset prior to being added to either S1 or S2 (the light should be flashing green).


To be clear, if you buy a S1/S2 compatible device (like a Sonos Amp, for example) you can add it to a S1 or S2 system. Devices that already have S2 firmware installed from the factory can be added to an S1 system only if there are existing devices on S1 already. If you do not have existing devices on S1, a product loaded with S2 cannot create a S1 system.


When adding a product to either S1 or S2, the system will update it. It will only update to the most recent version available, so if your system is not up to date, the entire system will be updated. If you are avoiding updates as your controller OS is out-of-date, you will need to update your controller(s) to continue using your Sonos equipment (if you allow the update), or at least to add more units.


S1 and S2 OS requirements for your controllers are the same, and will likely remain that way, though I cannot guarantee this will remain the case going forward - the changes in our OS requirements are often due to the requirements of our music/voice service partners. In addition, it is inefficient to test software on out-of-date OSes that should no longer be in use due to security concerns. Our current controller OS requirements can be found on our Sonos App Requirements help page. Please also check our Unsupported OS Versions page for partially supported OS version that allow you to select and play music to rooms, but not configure your Sonos system.


An S1 system will not update itself to S2 without you (or someone on your network) installing the S2 app. If you want your system to be in one piece (all rooms available on one app) and you have both S1 only devices and those willing to run on S2, don’t install the S2 app. If you’re willing to have a split system, with some rooms on S1 and some on S2, the upgrade should be done from the S1 app - Settings » System » System Tools » System Compatibility Check. After this, your S1 products will be reset and you will need to setup a new system on S1 consisting only of your S1 only devices. This is so your S1 and S2 units do not consider themselves as parts of the same system.

 

With all that said, I think you will find that S2 is quite good, and continues to get better with every release.

I hope this clears things up for you all. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.

73 replies

arcadelt
Enthusiast I
May 27, 2020

However, the future units or the units that already were updating using the S2 system, they can only work using the system S2 because they will be already in a version higher than the S1 system can support.​​​​​​

As I suspected, a move from S1 to S2 is an upgrade and Sonos will not have a provision for a retrograde.

Lyricist III
June 5, 2020

 

So after the release of S2, presumably with fairly immediate effect, unless Sonos sells the current array of non-S2-only ‘modern product’ devices with options of either S1 or S2, then:

  1. It will be impossible to add a new non-S2-only ‘modern product’ device to an S1 system and
  2. It will be impossible to replace any dying/damaged/lost/stolen S1 system ‘modern product’ device

unless one can unearth some old ‘modern product’ stock that was manufactured and sent out before S2 was released, or is found second-hand.  Or they then HAVE to split their system, losing their all-room capability.

 

Seems people who are forced to maintain S1 systems due to the number/proportion of S1 devices they own will, pretty soon after June 2020, be unable to expand their systems at all, and won’t be able to replace any dead devices either…..without resorting to the second-hand market.

 

There must be quite a lot of people in this situation who will be hoping that S1 will still be an option to purchase, or regrade to, on non-S2-only devices after June.  Does Sonos intend to accommodate them, or is the S1/S2 differentiation and split capability really just a short-term sop in the march to enforcing uptake of S2 and driving more upgrade-entire-system purchases as soon as possible (albeit without the dire compulsory-bricking-of-replaced-devices policy that had to be rescinded after the outcry) - just not quite as soon as previously intended in the pre-outcry business plan?

 

 

Local Superstar
June 6, 2020

Unfortunately, Sonos haven’t chimed in in this thread yet to officially clarify.

@Ryan S can an S1 and S2 compatible speaker be moved from an S2 setup to an S1 setup?

Smilja
June 6, 2020

In all likelihood - no. Anyhow, come Monday all questions are going to be answered or at least addressed in some way.

»And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space, Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.« (›Windmills Of Your Mind‹ [1967]. Music by Michel Legrand ; English lyrics written by Alan & Marilyn Bergman)
Local Superstar
June 6, 2020

In all likelihood - no. Anyhow, come Monday all questions are going to be answered or at least addressed in some way.


Yes, but the process of how the split happens and what you can or can’t do shouldn’t need to still be unknown now?

How will the split happen - will you install S2 and be asked to make a decision then?  Is S2 getting a last  ‘final’ update (bar thefuture security/patch updates) when S2 is released?

No need to divulge functionality of S2 yet - but it doesn’t seem unreasonable to give users the information of how the biggest update of Sonos software so far will need to be managed by them in advance.  It would at the least allow things to be planned - even potential purchasing decisions.

Smilja
June 6, 2020

I’ve read on this community that S2 will be released June 8. That’s the day after tomorrow.

»And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space, Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.« (›Windmills Of Your Mind‹ [1967]. Music by Michel Legrand ; English lyrics written by Alan & Marilyn Bergman)
Trending Lyricist I
June 7, 2020

So i have one legacy unit that i am updating with a new Sonos 5 , but Sonos are not going to get that unit to me before the new S2 app launches on Monday, so what do people think the best way forward is ? I think i will take the legacy unit offline tomorrow and then switch the other S2 compliant  units over to the S2 app, then when the new Sonos 5 turns up this week just add it to the system. I dont want to find that i have accidentally split the system and then go through the hassle of trying to get all the units linked again , i was hoping that Sonos might have released some guidance about this before they released the app it would have been helpful! 

Airgetlam
June 7, 2020

Why update to S2 before you get the new device? Is there some new feature you can’t just wait on?

Bruce
Local Superstar
June 7, 2020

Total agree.

Unfortunately, Sonos have given pretty much no information on how ‘we', the customers, will actually do the split/update in advance.

If we actually can't move an S1/S2 device between the two ecosystems then I can see lots of users seeing the new, shiny S2 software and doing the upgrade to their speaker - not knowing they can't use it any more with the other speakers in their system.

I really don't see why Sonos couldn't have told us in advance how it will all work.  Maybe as part of an S2 install it will see all of your speakers and explain what will happen and ask you to choose which speakers to upgrade and the ramifications of your decision?

They've not made it public and not responded to requests for this information. :-(

Ken_Griffiths
June 8, 2020

Not sure if either of these two support documents may help at all, but perhaps worth a read anyway...

https://support.sonos.com/s/article/4786

https://support.sonos.com/s/article/4824