Trying to stop everyone logging in and switching the play list, wondering if there is any way to put a password on the system so only those with the code can access the system
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Whilst Sonos may run on some form of unix, like many devices these days, it is designed as a media device, not a computer that you have direct access to. Whilst many media devices today have simple parental controls, I think that you'll find that the overall requirement for Sonos is much more complex, with people wanting access controls at all sorts of levels to sort out their particular problem. For Sonos to satisfy all of these requirements, they'd virtually have to enable the locking off of any set of menus and/or facililties - and then users would no doubt want each of these to be separately configurable. And we all know how much Sonos love designing user configurable options...
If you don't want people to fiddle with your media devices, then don't give them access to the remote control - it really is that simple. If a child misbehaves, take the remote control away from them. In the case of Sonos, just change the guest network password and lock them out.
Some googling turned up this interesting article:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/06/connected-devices-and-privacy/index.htm
A much bigger issue that a few passwords isn't going to address. There are also reports of hacking a networked fridge to extract the gmail account details of the owners.
There is a lot of demand for voice control - but the technology may not be just a one way street. Alexa and Amazon may also be listening to you and your family's conversations - 24/7.
Interesting times:-).
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/06/connected-devices-and-privacy/index.htm
A much bigger issue that a few passwords isn't going to address. There are also reports of hacking a networked fridge to extract the gmail account details of the owners.
There is a lot of demand for voice control - but the technology may not be just a one way street. Alexa and Amazon may also be listening to you and your family's conversations - 24/7.
Interesting times:-).
Another trend that I'm out of step with, I fear...
Are their other systems out there where you are able to password protect or lock to specific device/s?
This is a Sonos board.[/quote]
We all know this is a sonos board but Sonos has ignored the boards/requests of the user base for like 5 years now! how are we not supposed to look for a better solution. they have dont nothing to keep me as a customer or shown that they are making improvements that are requested....
Are their other systems out there where you are able to password protect or lock to specific device/s?
This is a Sonos board.
We all know this is a sonos board but Sonos has ignored the boards/requests of the user base for like 5 years now! how are we not supposed to look for a better solution. they have dont nothing to keep me as a customer or shown that they are making improvements that are requested....[/quote]
No. they just haven't implemented THIS request. It's four pages long and most of the posts are from people saying they don't want it Thankyou very much. I'd say that actually demonstrates Sonos is going with the majority.
And just because I know you like a bit of drum beating. O N L Y those people YOU gave access to your network can access Sonos. If not having a password on your Sonos app is a worry to you don't give your wi-fi credentials to any Tom, Dick or Harry (Or Yvonne, Bette or Jane). If you do give out your password like that to people who can't be trusted you are going to get what you deserve
No. they just haven't implemented THIS request. It's four pages long and most of the posts are from people saying they don't want it Thankyou very much. I'd say that actually demonstrates Sonos is going with the majority.
And just because I know you like a bit of drum beating. O N L Y those people YOU gave access to your network can access Sonos. If not having a password on your Sonos app is a worry to you don't give your wi-fi credentials to any Tom, Dick or Harry (Or Yvonne, Bette or Jane). If you do give out your password like that to people who can't be trusted you are going to get what you deserve[/quote]
@stuart_W, it's as easy as putting a toggle button, "Require Security", "Dont Require Security" if users like yourself want to keep their system fully unsecured and open to random connections then you can continue to do so, BUT for users that like to secure things on their network because they know the importance of securing any system connected to their network they could do that as well...If you know anything about network security you might understand the importance of this.
And just because I know you like a bit of drum beating. O N L Y those people YOU gave access to your network can access Sonos. If not having a password on your Sonos app is a worry to you don't give your wi-fi credentials to any Tom, Dick or Harry (Or Yvonne, Bette or Jane). If you do give out your password like that to people who can't be trusted you are going to get what you deserve[/quote]
@stuart_W, it's as easy as putting a toggle button, "Require Security", "Dont Require Security" if users like yourself want to keep their system fully unsecured and open to random connections then you can continue to do so, BUT for users that like to secure things on their network because they know the importance of securing any system connected to their network they could do that as well...If you know anything about network security you might understand the importance of this.
@stuart_W, it's as easy as putting a toggle button, "Require Security", "Dont Require Security" if users like yourself want to keep their system fully unsecured and open to random connections then you can continue to do so, BUT for users that like to secure things on their network because they know the importance of securing any system connected to their network they could do that as well...If you know anything about network security you might understand the importance of this.
I personally don't leave my system fully unsecured and open to random connections, which is why I employ a Guest network that not only keeps people out of Sonos, it keeps them from accessing my PC, my backups, my NAS drive, my printers, my lights, my thermostat, my home security system, my TV, etc., etc., etc. If I can't trust someone to not change my music, I certainly don't want them accessing my private data, my heat/AC, or my security alarm.
Do you ever let people on your main network to use a service (maybe printer, file server, TV/movies etc) ? If so are the other devices you password protected or are the other devices etc open to anyone who gains access?
I'm not personally concern or care about Sonos not having authentication, but can accept that some user have legitimate use cases/pov that require password even.
I'm not personally concern or care about Sonos not having authentication, but can accept that some user have legitimate use cases/pov that require password even.
I'm not personally concern or care about Sonos not having authentication, but can accept that some user have legitimate use cases/pov that require password even.
No. No. and No.
There are devices I own that I let people access, like a Fire TV or a tablet, but nobody gets anything but my Guest password for their own devices. There is absolutely no reason for it. And while I can accept that people want a password, I find the vast majority to be either incredibly naïve or incredibly hypocritical if they are worried sick about not trusting someone with the volume on their Sonos, but don't care a whit about them having access to their local LAN. Anyone who can't be trusted to not blast The Barney Song at 2AM is not getting inside my firewall, period.
Most wireless routers have a GUEST Network option. Set up the GUEST Network and keep your Sonos system on your PRIMARY wireless network. Do not share the password for your PRIMARY wireless network. Rather, provide your friends and guest access to the GUEST network only. By separating the two networks, you eliminate access to the Sonos by anyone not on your PRIMARY network. Your friends and guests can access the internet but cannot see your Sonos system.
Similar problem here, living in a shared house with one joint wifi (owned/controlled by the landlord) so I can't stop my house mates (and their guests) from changing the volume on my music. I think it is very poor from a tech company that after customers have asked for this for years they still don't offer at least an option inside the system for these kind of situations.
Kiiefa,
Sonos doesn't share their roadmap or pretty much any plans with us (with a couple of exceptions: Apple Music, Spotify integration and Amazon Echo integration, and with all of those, it was pretty much a "when it's done" time frame). They've never been explicit about what will be included in the next software release, or even when it is going to happen, until the point at which they release it, and then tell us what they included. So no, I'm certainly not expecting it in the near future. But who knows, it could be tomorrow.
I'd suggest a baseball bat for your girlfriend's brother. Or change the password on your Wifi, and just don't give it to him.
Sonos doesn't share their roadmap or pretty much any plans with us (with a couple of exceptions: Apple Music, Spotify integration and Amazon Echo integration, and with all of those, it was pretty much a "when it's done" time frame). They've never been explicit about what will be included in the next software release, or even when it is going to happen, until the point at which they release it, and then tell us what they included. So no, I'm certainly not expecting it in the near future. But who knows, it could be tomorrow.
I'd suggest a baseball bat for your girlfriend's brother. Or change the password on your Wifi, and just don't give it to him.
Just installed my first sonos system, yesterday. Easy to set up, good sound, many options to connect to whatever source your want... Great ! but no way to secure your setup ?!
So, for what it's worth considering the many, many months customers have been requesting this, please note another one is just asking the same thing: I'd like to be able to let others (kids, friends, visitors) use my sonos, not necessarily change the setup !
Philippe
So, for what it's worth considering the many, many months customers have been requesting this, please note another one is just asking the same thing: I'd like to be able to let others (kids, friends, visitors) use my sonos, not necessarily change the setup !
Philippe
If your router permits you to, you might consider activating a guest wifi and give your visitors it's password. In that way they won't have access to the main wifi, on which you have installed the Sonos gear.
We are in 2017. EVERY connected device should be protected by password, full stop. (then it's your responsibility if the password is too easy). Of course we can all setup guest wifi, or setup a wifi dedicated to sonos, or don't give password of the wifi to no one... At the end of the day it would be much easier for everybody if the system could be protected. Like my TV, my PS4, my set top box, my camera, my NAS, my whatever... Funny how Sonos considers login with complex password is required to publish comments on this forum, while considers protecting its own devices is not really needed...
We are in 2017. EVERY connected device should be protected by password, full stop. (then it's your responsibility if the password is too easy). Of course we can all setup guest wifi, or setup a wifi dedicated to sonos, or don't give password of the wifi to no one... At the end of the day it would be much easier for everybody if the system could be protected. Like my TV, my PS4, my set top box, my camera, my NAS, my whatever... Funny how Sonos considers login with complex password is required to publish comments on this forum, while considers protecting its own devices is not really needed...
Nonsense
Sonos is just a smart radio or Turntable.
Furthermore, the only people who have access to your Sonos system are those you have entrusted with your Wi-Fi password.
I, for one, do NOT want "added security" aka cumbersome botheration to listen to my music thankyou very much
Yes, the repeated mantra of ‘educate/discipline’ your children / it’s up to you who you let on your network etc. all seem to miss the point I think of why many people are requesting this.
Just because I let somebody onto my network should not (and does not, in any semblance of a ‘proper’ network) mean they can do anything they like on it. While some may allow them on purely for internet access (in which case, as suggested, just allow them access to guest WiFi), some may let them on and allow guest access to a NAS. They cannot do this on Guest WiFi. You may let them on to see a shared media folder from my PC. They cannot do this on Guest WiFi. I can and do choose to password protect other areas and devices. i.e. adding them to a guest WiFi would not give them access to what I want them to access.
With many devices the access control can be more granular yet the oft repeated mantra here appears to be that access to one’s home network and Sonos has to be synonymous – I don’t see why that has to be the case. As above, there can be very legitimate reasons why one would wish somebody to have access to a network – but not a Sonos system residing on it.
As far as ‘access control’ goes, for many/most, it could simply be OFF and would completely behave as it does now.. Or, it could require a password each time it is accessed (can’t EVER see me using that).. However, one option I see a use case for is for any first time access to require a PIN. That way, users allow people onto their network and give them access to the data they need them to see – but are not opening their Sonos system to any other shenanigans, ‘funny’ or otherwise.
I have no problem at all with Sonos adding an access control OPTION to the system. Well implemented it would not affect me. There are so many comments by users in this thread and others opposing things that don’t even affect them. Other than ignoring such requests, like many do seem to do, or commenting and moving on, sometimes the strength of opposition, to something they wouldn’t even be affected by is brilliantly funny - yet rather sad at the same time.
Accept some people have use cases different to your own and move on.
Just because I let somebody onto my network should not (and does not, in any semblance of a ‘proper’ network) mean they can do anything they like on it. While some may allow them on purely for internet access (in which case, as suggested, just allow them access to guest WiFi), some may let them on and allow guest access to a NAS. They cannot do this on Guest WiFi. You may let them on to see a shared media folder from my PC. They cannot do this on Guest WiFi. I can and do choose to password protect other areas and devices. i.e. adding them to a guest WiFi would not give them access to what I want them to access.
With many devices the access control can be more granular yet the oft repeated mantra here appears to be that access to one’s home network and Sonos has to be synonymous – I don’t see why that has to be the case. As above, there can be very legitimate reasons why one would wish somebody to have access to a network – but not a Sonos system residing on it.
As far as ‘access control’ goes, for many/most, it could simply be OFF and would completely behave as it does now.. Or, it could require a password each time it is accessed (can’t EVER see me using that).. However, one option I see a use case for is for any first time access to require a PIN. That way, users allow people onto their network and give them access to the data they need them to see – but are not opening their Sonos system to any other shenanigans, ‘funny’ or otherwise.
I have no problem at all with Sonos adding an access control OPTION to the system. Well implemented it would not affect me. There are so many comments by users in this thread and others opposing things that don’t even affect them. Other than ignoring such requests, like many do seem to do, or commenting and moving on, sometimes the strength of opposition, to something they wouldn’t even be affected by is brilliantly funny - yet rather sad at the same time.
Accept some people have use cases different to your own and move on.
Actually. I don't have a problem with the request per se. It's perfectly valid that some people want this "feature" and clearly some do.
However, I do take issue when people invent specious reasoning viz "We are in 2017. EVERY connected device should be protected by password, full stop" - That, again, is a valid opinion but as a blanket statement of fact - not having it, sorry.
And what's wrong with suggesting proper discipline for those given the responsibility of full access to your Wi-Fi network?
However, I do take issue when people invent specious reasoning viz "We are in 2017. EVERY connected device should be protected by password, full stop" - That, again, is a valid opinion but as a blanket statement of fact - not having it, sorry.
And what's wrong with suggesting proper discipline for those given the responsibility of full access to your Wi-Fi network?
The comment wasn’t specifically aimed at you. However, when you say that you don’t have a problem with the request per se, your closing comment of your previous post suggested otherwise and that it would be ‘bothersome’. As I said in my post, I don’t see why that needs to be the case at all or why many/most users would even be affected.
And yes, there’s nothing at all wrong with general suggestions of proper discipline for those entrusted with wifi access. The issue with said advice is that it’s usually given as THE solution to people’s problem with the lack of Sonos access control without understanding the context or questioning any reasoning for a user’s particular setup.
As I said, while the advice for a guess wifi access may suit some, it isn’t appropriate for others. Suggestions for more discipline required may equally be correct in some cases – but rather offensive in others.
And yes, there’s nothing at all wrong with general suggestions of proper discipline for those entrusted with wifi access. The issue with said advice is that it’s usually given as THE solution to people’s problem with the lack of Sonos access control without understanding the context or questioning any reasoning for a user’s particular setup.
As I said, while the advice for a guess wifi access may suit some, it isn’t appropriate for others. Suggestions for more discipline required may equally be correct in some cases – but rather offensive in others.
Still waiting...
This thread is salty as ****.
As a product manager, prioritization is difficult, and you often can only lead your development teams through influence, so I understand that these things don't get answered.
That said, the people debating this topic don't seem to realize that a Sonos owner might not have control of the wifi. Imagine putting this in a dorm or shared office space. We'd love to use one in our coworking community without getting Rick rolled.
There's a time and place for proper security, and a little password can still go a long way.
As a product manager, prioritization is difficult, and you often can only lead your development teams through influence, so I understand that these things don't get answered.
That said, the people debating this topic don't seem to realize that a Sonos owner might not have control of the wifi. Imagine putting this in a dorm or shared office space. We'd love to use one in our coworking community without getting Rick rolled.
There's a time and place for proper security, and a little password can still go a long way.
I, for one, do NOT want "added security" aka cumbersome botheration to listen to my music thankyou very much
Having a password feature be optional wouldn't hinder you at all.
On the surface, it sounds like an easy request. But then, start thinking of the complexity. One password for any given install? One password for each group? One password for each device? A master password to allow to create groups? The complexity of this thing can escalate rather quickly.
@sergeadam for sure, but given their aversion to granular options probably safe to say it would be simple such as a pin to associate a control to a system. Personally I don't think they will add a password, just my opinion though.
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