I’m wanting to understand if I connect a Sonos Port to an AV Receiver that is ‘Works with Sonos’ certified, will the AVR switch on automatically if a connected Sonos Port has an active alarm?
I couldn’t find any of this information in the documentation or on this site so wanted to ask here. Hoping someone who has used a Sonos Port in this way can respond.
Based on the answer I can decide if I should purchase a Sonos Port.
Best answer by Stanley_4
Two good options, a call to Sonos support, these forums are mostly user to user with little Sonos presence.
Second call someone experienced at selling integrated systems. Crutchfield Com would be my first choice, they sell Sonos as well as a wide number of recievers (2 to 14[?] channels) that mention works with Sonos in their technical information.
Not sure I understand, so more detail would be helpful.
The Sonos Port is a stereo device, it can’t handle / distribute a 5.1 (or higher) signal. The alarm feature is completely separate.
I don’t have any first hand experience with it, but a “Works with Sonos” AVR is supposed to turn on when the Port plays. I would think that applies to playing due to an alarm also. But I can’t find any documentation the says that explicitly.
I don’t have any first hand experience with it, but a “Works with Sonos” AVR is supposed to turn on when the Port plays. I would think that applies to playing due to an alarm also. But I can’t find any documentation the says that explicitly.
I’m hoping someone from Sonos can confirm the above behaviour and ideally update the documentation
Not sure I understand, so more detail would be helpful.
The Sonos Port is a stereo device, it can’t handle / distribute a 5.1 (or higher) signal. The alarm feature is completely separate.
I’m basically wanting to understand if the Port can switch on the AVR and play the music assigned to an alarm, just like all other Sonos speakers.
What I don’t understand is the Audio/Video Receiver. Why not just a standard Audio receiver?
And while Sonos wrote the API, isn’t the programming done on the receivers OS done by the receiver’s manufacturer, not Sonos? I can understand a certain amount of validation done by Sonos in order to hand out a ‘Works with Sonos’ certification, but it seems you’re asking Sonos to choose one of their partners for you. Which seems like an unlikely thing, kind of like them throwing the rest of their partners under the bus, and recommending just one.
What I don’t understand is the Audio/Video Receiver. Why not just a standard Audio receiver?
And while Sonos wrote the API, isn’t the programming done on the receivers OS done by the receiver’s manufacturer, not Sonos? I can understand a certain amount of validation done by Sonos in order to hand out a ‘Works with Sonos’ certification, but it seems you’re asking Sonos to choose one of their partners for you. Which seems like an unlikely thing, kind of like them throwing the rest of their partners under the bus, and recommending just one.
If I have an AVR, I would like to use the speakers in that setup as part of my Sonos system, which is what the Port does. As such, that is why I am wanting to purchase a Port, but only if the alarm function can switch on the AVR as well.
Two good options, a call to Sonos support, these forums are mostly user to user with little Sonos presence.
Second call someone experienced at selling integrated systems. Crutchfield Com would be my first choice, they sell Sonos as well as a wide number of recievers (2 to 14[?] channels) that mention works with Sonos in their technical information.
From what know about configuring alarms with Sonos I can’t find any data that says it can’t be done with a Port. See setting alarms here.
However, that being said if the Port is utilizing its Audio-Out to an Audio-In on an AVR it would follow that one could set the Port auto-play room as itself to send the alarm audio to connected speakers on the AVR. The Port also has a 12V trigger to turn on an Amp. Otherwise the AVR would have to remain in standby to be awaken by an audio signal reception.
The above is theory; as I have not tried it. Sonos Tech Support would the ones to confirm or deny.
The Port also has a 12V trigger to turn on an Amp. Otherwise the AVR would have to remain in standby to be awaken by an audio signal reception.
This is what the “Works with Sonos” avoids. The best I can tell, it doesn’t rrely on the AVR detecting an audio signal or 12V trigger. The Port sends network commands to the AVR to turn on, select correct input. change volume etc. There’s not a lot of info that I can find that says exactly what the “Works with Sonos” certification requires.
So the object is to set the alarm to play on the Port, which will turn on the AVR, et al. Does it work? I couldn’t tell you.
I would love to know exactly what it takes to be “Works with Sonos” certified.
As far as I can tell by going in circles on sonos.com all the real information on Works with Sonos is hidden behind a by invitation only block. Lots of ad copy but nothing useful that I could see.
As far as I can tell by going in circles on sonos.com all the real information on Works with Sonos is hidden behind a by invitation only block. Lots of ad copy but nothing useful that I could see.
That’s as far as I got, too.
Here’s an explanation of “Works with Sonos”. It’s been given approval by a Sonos Mod with a link.
I’ve seen that. Although it has some good info in it, it doesn’t contain details of what it takes to be certified as “Works with Sonos”. And the link the Sonos mod provided it just to a Sonos ad copy page.
I’ve seen that. Although it has some good info in it, it doesn’t contain details of what it takes to be certified as “Works with Sonos”. And the link the Sonos mod provided it just to a Sonos ad copy page.
Keep scrolling down. Once on the page you’ll find additional links to take you where you may want to go. Follow the links 😉
However, in order to understand what it takes to be certified as “Works with Sonos” it appears you’ll need to be associated with a legitimate product and/or developing one. That’s makes since as I would assume there is proprietary information involved requiring an NDA. It wouldn’t be in Sonos best interest in such a competitive market to publish that information for the general public including this community. I’m just saying 🤷
Been through all the links on the developer.sonos.com site. As Stanley_4 said “As far as I can tell by going in circles on sonos.com all the real information on Works with Sonos is hidden behind a by invitation only block. Lots of ad copy but nothing useful that I could see.”
Been through all the links on the developer.sonos.com site. As Stanley_4 said “As far as I can tell by going in circles on sonos.com all the real information on Works with Sonos is hidden behind a by invitation only block. Lots of ad copy but nothing useful that I could see.”
Well... I think that’s the point. It’s not intended to be viewed by the masses. Gotta go through the vetting process and receive an “invitation” (if that’s the final step) in order to be “read in”. 😂
No offense...but looking at the Victrola Turntable for example; the how it works with Sonos is of little importance to me….just so long as it works. Victrola also provides an app to help with the interation to work their magic with Sonos integration. I assume that any product that makes the claim “Works with Sonos’ will provide steps to make the integration possible
Not looking for so much how it works, but what works.
Reciecer power, volume other functions.
Sonos controls what, receiver controls what, feedback between the two sides.
Stuff a non-technical user would care about and possibly use.
It’s worth noting that “Works with Sonos” is a badge that requires certification from Sonos. It’s not just a phrase. Companies are not allowed to use that unless the product is certified by Sonos and meets all the requirements needed to earn that badge.
Which is why it would be nice to know what functions the product needs to perform to get it.
Products that just use the Sonos API to communicate with Sonos devices are not included in this. The API is published in the developer documentation and anyone can use it.
On the other hand, I suspect there’s a list of functions that can be implemented, and not all manufacturers choose to implement all of them. Dunno. It seems like
I would think anything that takes a 12 volt trigger has to be ‘on’ enough to recognize the trigger. Like a TV set recognizing a remote power on function. It really isn’t all the way ‘off’ unless it’s unplugged, like many/most electronics these days.
Maybe I'm missing something in the conversation and it’s just way over my head which is not beyond the realm of possibility. I get it that “Works with Sonos” is not just something that anyone can throw on a product just the same as THX Certified can't be branded on any component. There is a certification process for both.
The information below is in the link I posted that is a general overview of how a product that “Works with Sonos”; which in the example and in this thread is an AMP, AVR or whatever terminology you choose to use. Granted it’s two years old but the products at the time were limited. Also as in the information below and pertinent to this thread the Sonos Port is the lynch-pin.
Outside of what is presented below I’m at a loss to understand what “deep dive” information one hopes to gleam from Crutchfield or any retailer that sells equipment branded as “Works with Sonos”.
Currently, Integra, Onkyo, Sony & Pioneer have the “Works With Sonos” label.
What does this really mean?
Once a Sonos Port is integrated with these receivers, selecting the Room (and music) on the Sonos App that the receiver operates in will:
Selecting all other sources like TV will return the volume back to a comfortable level. The receiver also eventually powers down automatically after use.
Search for (manufacturer) “works with Sonos”. At least for one manufacturer that I tried, AI provided data that agrees with the above. Always follow AI advice with care. Even though manufacturer ABC supports “works with Sonos”, this probably is not the case for most of their older models.
If we knew the specific model involved a user of that model might come forward.
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