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Ability to play 24bit/96 files (like the competition: slimdevices transporter)
What if an audiophile were to say this:

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Listening to music is a subjective personal experience, and I find that mine is enhanced by non auditory aspects as well. Things such as the looks, the interface quality and control flexibility, visible build quality and the like, among others and these would not be captured in a test that is restricted to auditory aspects only.

The associated cost/benefit assessments for these aspects is also very subjective and therefore:

YMMV

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A possible bridge across the chasm?:)

As one can be built by Sonos for 24/96 too, if they choose to based on their assessment of the business case. Do the downsampling on the fly inside a Sonos HD ready player, and use the down sampled file for all streaming and replay including from that player. Doing this ought to be possible with the same DAC? It will allow people that insist on HD music purchases to at least play these in the Sonos environment without affecting the installed base in any way. The HD crowd will then also get the full benefit of any superior mastering used for the HD versions, out of the box.
I'm just saying that there *is* a possibility that the shape of the glass can affect the taste of wine.

Not the the extent that I am going to lash out on the recommended different glasses for different types of reds and whites. If I remember that are 4-5 shapes for reds alone. But yes, I agree that the shape can always affect the taste, but the question is whether this is caused by the drinker's nose/mouth, or some other factor that the brain throws into the mix.

I was amused to read of a recent blind test on wine experts, who gave detailed views on exactly what food will pair best with a tasted red, which was a good white wine with tasteless and odourless red dye in it. Needless to say, the food recommendations were in line with those associated with red wines. Down to how the food should be cooked!
It will allow people that insist on HD music purchases to at least play these in the Sonos environment without affecting the installed base in any way. The HD crowd will then also get the full benefit of any superior mastering used for the HD versions, out of the box.

If existing CPU capability was not a constraint, this could be even done for existing kit with a software update - that would be very cool.

Seems to me that it would be a simpler task than the wifi addition that is on its way - I see a lot of complications there to make it work side by side with Sonosnet.

And both changes would be in the same marketing "check the missing box to stop the noise" category.
Not the the extent that I am going to lash out on the recommended different glasses for different types of reds and whites. If I remember that are 4-5 shapes for reds alone. But yes, I agree that the shape can always affect the taste, but the question is whether this is caused by the drinker's nose/mouth, or some other factor that the brain throws into the mix.

I was amused to read of a recent blind test on wine experts, who gave detailed views on exactly what food will pair best with a tasted red, which was a good white wine with tasteless and odourless red dye in it. Needless to say, the food recommendations were in line with those associated with red wines. Down to how the food should be cooked!



sorry for getting way off topic here, but yes, wine experts suffer from the same biases in detecting things that other folks do. This is why double blind testing is CRITICAL in many (most) areas. (and why California wines started winning global competitions, much to the chagrin of the French...there was a nice little movie about this true event a few years ago).



And to go farther down this path, sense of smell is scientifically established to have a lot to do with "taste". When someone loses their sense of smell it changes their ability to taste food in the same way. So the wine "nose" (smell), which is impacted by size of container has a scientific basis. (unlike much/most of the audiophool beliefs, which don't hold up to even basic scientific testing.)



But again, this is quite different from audio. We don't "listen" with our sense of smell or even our vision. So DBTs are very useful tools for demonstrating that absent biases, it is rare for people to be able to detect hi-res files from CD quality (or even high bit rate lossy files from CD quality).
Humans reached the apex of audio technology in 1980!



Not at all. In 1980 the world was just starting out (relatively speaking) into digital media. Since that time considerably advancements have been made in all sorts of areas, including knowledge of recording techniques, better media, and improved implementation of the electronics involved in all stages.



There is no doubt that many of the original digital recordings of the 1980s were... crap.



But the formats chosen back then were chosen for a reason and those reasons still hold. The equipment of the day wasn't always up to properly using these fomats, and it many of the early recordings were clumsily produced in a lot of cases because the recording studio technicians of the time didn't really understand how to use digital media (there are some significant and important differences between digital and analogue recording that still aren't common knowledge today).



But the formats were, contrary to Neil Young's opinion, well chosen (Neil Young, by the way, may be a great musician, but he knows less about digital audio formats than my pet cat).The Engineers of the day knew that one day we would be able to take full advantage of the redbook format, and that day is here, now (and has been for over a decade).



So, digital audio music production has improved significantly in the last 30 years, but has been due to other factors other than the format. If we are still being held back, then it's not the format that is doing it.



Cheers,



Keith
sorry for getting way off topic here, but yes, wine experts suffer from the same biases in detecting things that other folks do.

Not to worry. I am sure that a seven year old thread such as this one is entitled to do the occasional meandering, just to survive:D.

I am sure the OP doesn't mind, it keeps the thread accessible for him to do his once in six months or so posts here.
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I'm a new SONOS user and was shocked that these tracks don't work! I've been using 24/96 files with my 2002 v1 SlimDevices Squeezebox with no problems, yet the SONOS just won't play them at all.



I have tons of my music in varying bitrates in Apple Lossless Codec, and whether or not everyone thinks the improvement is worth it, people have the tracks and want to play them. I don't care in this setting if the music is downsampled or played at the proper bit rate, but it needs to play.



I have a big library of music, and it doesn't make sense to clone the tracks, and downsample them so I have duplicates everywhere.
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I'm a new SONOS user and was shocked that these tracks don't work! I've been using 24/96 files with my 2002 v1 SlimDevices Squeezebox with no problems, yet the SONOS just won't play them at all.



I have tons of my music in varying bitrates in Apple Lossless Codec, and whether or not everyone thinks the improvement is worth it, people have the tracks and want to play them. I don't care in this setting if the music is downsampled or played at the proper bit rate, but it needs to play.



I have a big library of music, and it doesn't make sense to clone the tracks, and downsample them so I have duplicates everywhere.



Sonos has no plans to support hires audio. Your only choice is to downsample or not play them at all.
How terrible they aren't willing to listen to the customer. There are about NINE HUNDRED posts on this topic on this thread alone. SONOS says to connect to your NAS but isn't willing to do what's been typical for well more than a decade and can be done open source, simple transcoding.
How terrible they aren't willing to listen to the customer. There are about NINE HUNDRED posts on this topic on this thread alone. SONOS says to connect to your NAS but isn't willing to do what's been typical for well more than a decade and can be done open source, simple transcoding.



900 posts in 7 years, most of them by the same very few, but very vocal hires fans. The hires market is a niche of a niche, and obviously Sonos does not see the necessity of supporting it.
These are the people who were vocal, but that doesn't mean others don't care and nor does it mean that other potential customers don't care. I'm one more added to the list. The fact is that more and more content comes out each day by new artists and old.



I have albums from Linkin Park, Maroon 5, Mumford and Sons, and others. Now that bandwidth and storage isn't much of a concern, higher bit rate audio is going to be a bigger deal. The very least Sonos could do is recognize that it doesn't support a file and exclude it from the list. As it is now, you just get an error. It's very troubling when all the lower-tier devices support such files.



I for one was thinking of putting out a whole home audio system with sonos, but I can't with this lack of support.
These are the people who were vocal, but that doesn't mean others don't care and nor does it mean that other potential customers don't care. I'm one more added to the list. The fact is that more and more content comes out each day by new artists and old.



I have albums from Linkin Park, Maroon 5, Mumford and Sons, and others. Now that bandwidth and storage isn't much of a concern, higher bit rate audio is going to be a bigger deal. The very least Sonos could do is recognize that it doesn't support a file and exclude it from the list. As it is now, you just get an error. It's very troubling when all the lower-tier devices support such files.



I for one was thinking of putting out a whole home audio system with sonos, but I can't with this lack of support.



Good luck finding one that does support it and is as reliable as Sonos.
Now that bandwidth and storage isn't much of a concern...



... you can transcode them once and be done with it.
If I transcode them once, then I need to have two different libraries, which is not easy to manage. It's so strange that they don't support this most basic of features that has been available for more than a decade even in open source.
If I transcode them once, then I need to have two different libraries, which is not easy to manage. It's so strange that they don't support this most basic of features that has been available for more than a decade even in open source.



They don't. You can complain about it like all the other whiners for the last seven years, or you can transcode them and get it over with.



And by the way, Bose, Samsung, and Denon don't support it either.
So you're suggesting two different music libraries? What a mess that would be.



AirPlay supports this I use on my Marantz pre-pro, B&W and other products too, all the Logitech and Roku etc. You can do multi-room audio on phones or in iTunes.



I guess I should ask if anyone is in the market for a 1 hour used connect. 😞
Unless you bought it used, just take it back; no need for anyone else to be 'in the market'.



Sonos isn't for everyone.
Thanks, I'll see if the installer who spec'd the amp and outdoor speakers can return it.


Sonos isn't for everyone.



Not for the audiophools, certainly. :rolleyes:
Apparently not for people who like friendly productive forum communities either…
Apparently not for people who like friendly productive forum communities either…

Not true. But the regulars are fed up of this subject, having said all there is to be said on it,endlessly on just this one thread. Perhaps you ought to have spend time reading it fully first.

For us, this is non productive waste of time.
I'm not sure why you keep going to a thread you've written off. You do know you don't have to read every post on every thread, right? Calling people fools doesn't seem particularly friendly. You guys sure make it sound like SONOS will never change, but sure enough they changed the wireless communications capabilities, which I bet was a long-running request.



All I did is, as others recommended, post that this support is valuable for a customer and mention how strange it is that SONOS doesn't support higher bit-rate.



I checked out the information for the product I bought and didn't see that it only supported heavily limited bitrates: http://www.sonos.com/shop/products/connect I'm sure it exists somewhere in documentation, but it sure isn't front and center.



I guess you can ignore my interest in the product as I'll move on.
heavily limited bitrates

....which the science tells us cater for the entire range of human hearing. I've always been fond of my pets, but not enough to buy them specialist audio equipment.
If I transcode them once, then I need to have two different libraries, which is not easy to manage.



You really don't need two libraries in this scenario. Just transcode once and delete the hires source files.
I'm not sure why you keep going to a thread you've written off. You do know you don't have to read every post on every thread, right? Calling people fools doesn't seem particularly friendly. You guys sure make it sound like SONOS will never change, but sure enough they changed the wireless communications capabilities, which I bet was a long-running request.



All I did is, as others recommended, post that this support is valuable for a customer and mention how strange it is that SONOS doesn't support higher bit-rate.



I checked out the information for the product I bought and didn't see that it only supported heavily limited bitrates: http://www.sonos.com/shop/products/connect I'm sure it exists somewhere in documentation, but it sure isn't front and center.



I guess you can ignore my interest in the product as I'll move on.



Long running requests that eventually get done are never given the status of 'Not Planned' at ask.Sonos. And those 'heavily limited bitrates' are the standards for the audio industry. You might also say Sonos won't play ridiculously high bitrates that are scientifically proven to deteriorate audio fidelity upon playback.
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