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Contributor I
January 25, 2017

AirPlay support - time to do it properly

Sonos have had a form of AirPlay support for quite some time but frankly it has always been a disappointing kludge even if it got the job done. For those unaware the current and only solution involves buying an Apple AirPort Express WiFi basestation, you then connect the audio output from the AirPort Express to the audio input on a Sonos device. You would then AirPlay stream to the AirPort Express and it outputs to the Sonos.

This of course means spending more money for an AirPort Express or even several but also adds an extra device in the link with the possibility of additional overhead and small audio quality loss. In reality it was 'good enough'.

Unfortunately Apple have just discontinued both the AirPort Express and the AirPort Extreme. (The Extreme could not do this as it does not have an audio output.) No other device has ever offered this functionality. This means that going forwards it will effectively be impossible to use AirPlay audio streaming with Sonos. (I can see the secondhand prices of AirPort Express devices on eBay going up. 🙂 )

Therefore it is time for Sonos to solve this problem properly the way they should have done it in the first place which is to provide built-in support for AirPlay in their systems. Many AV Receivers e.g Denon, Yamaha, etc. have built-in AirPlay support as do other brands of wireless speakers e.g. Bowers & Wilkins. Whilst I believe most if not all of these are doing it by including a hardware chip with official AirPlay support the AirPlay protocol has been reverse engineered and open-sourced and implemented in many software programs purely as software. I believe the original need for the hardware approach was to include support for FairPlay protected music tracks but as iTunes music has not had such protection for many years and there are various legitimate approaches for upgrading your music to remove such FairPlay protection using a software only approach without FairPlay support is a realistic solution. (Obviously AirPlay Mirroring is never going to be possible with Sonos which is an audio only device so the fact you might need to stream FairPlay protected videos is not relevant.)

One could argue Sonos' previous short-sightedness is now coming back to bite them and if they had previously added this AirPlay chip when designing the new(er) Play 3, Play 5, etc. devices then most of their product line would already be compatible. (The older Sonos Connect devices might predate this.)
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53 replies

Lyricist III
February 5, 2017
I did look at upgrading the the connect or play 5 with the line in, but I didn't see how that would allow the functionality of Sonos from device/system level audio. I can see it would allow me to send audio via Bluetooth (which I think we can all agree is pretty narly for audio steaming) to a single Sonos, but I don't see that I'd be able to send the same Bluetooth audio stream to multiple Sonos devices?
chicks
February 5, 2017
Sonos can share a single source with any or all Sonos devices in the same network. This is what multiroom wireless audio is all about.
SHARKB8T
Prodigy I
February 5, 2017
As Chicks said... any source that is playing on one Sonos device can be playing on any of the system's devices...

Lots of great detail here:

https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1091/~/using-line-in-on-sonos
Avid Contributor I
February 12, 2017
Have you tried AirSonos? http://airsonos.stephenwan.net/. I'm using it on a raspberry pi that is just hidden somewhere in my house
Lyricist III
February 12, 2017
Unfortunately Apple have just discontinued both the AirPort Express and the AirPort Extreme.

That's not true - the products are still for sale on the US and other Apple shop websites, and third party websites. Additionally Apple have not announced that they are discontinued. There have been some articles in the media speculating that they might be discontinued in the near future, but as far as I can tell this has not happened yet.
ratty
February 12, 2017
http://www.macworld.com/article/3154849/network-router/how-to-choose-the-best-wi-fi-replacement-for-your-apple-airport-routers.html
Apple last updated the AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule models internals in 2013 for the 802.11ac standard; the compact AirPort Express remains stuck in 2012.
which suggests there's no strategic support going forward.

Also, http://www.macworld.com/article/3162040/streaming-hardware/alternatives-to-apples-airplay.html
Lyricist II
July 6, 2017
I literally have zero idea where the need is for this

Here is why -

I want to actively curate my music when I listen at work or at the gym. When listening to apple music / apple radio or anything else via SONOS, If I want to "love" a song or add it to an Apple Playlist, I cannot. I am forced to open apple music directly, search for the song through the app and do it that way. It's double the effort, which means I just don't do it. I can make SONOS playlists, but those I cannot listen to them when I am out. So Now I have to manage playlists in multiple places.

Apple Music is a premier choice "mostly" because of integration. Native SONOS airplay support would be so freaking awesome.
ratty
July 6, 2017
Airplay support would fix the wrong problem. It would be a Band-Aid.

Apple Music needs to enhance its API so one can 'love' tracks or maintain playlists directly from within Sonos. These functions are available with other services such as Deezer.

Alternatively Apple could facilitate direct Sonos player control from within the Apple Music app, such as with Spotify.
Lyricist II
July 6, 2017
I don't really care how it gets done, I just want the integration to be better - I've spent (i dont know how many) thousands SONOSing my house. Sonos however will never be as far reaching as apple's own music service, so I'd love the support to mange my music in one place. I pretty much never use Sonos playlists....
jgatie
July 6, 2017
I don't really care how it gets done, I just want the integration to be better - I've spent (i dont know how many) thousands SONOSing my house. I'd just love to mange my music in one place.

While lobbying here is all well and good, as ratty says, the better solution would be for Apple to incorporate the features into their Sonos app implementation, or incorporate Sonos Direct Control into the Apple Music app. Since both of these require Apple's consent and development efforts, lobbying Apple would probably be far more effective than lobbying Sonos.