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Contributor I
January 25, 2017

AirPlay support - time to do it properly

Sonos have had a form of AirPlay support for quite some time but frankly it has always been a disappointing kludge even if it got the job done. For those unaware the current and only solution involves buying an Apple AirPort Express WiFi basestation, you then connect the audio output from the AirPort Express to the audio input on a Sonos device. You would then AirPlay stream to the AirPort Express and it outputs to the Sonos.

This of course means spending more money for an AirPort Express or even several but also adds an extra device in the link with the possibility of additional overhead and small audio quality loss. In reality it was 'good enough'.

Unfortunately Apple have just discontinued both the AirPort Express and the AirPort Extreme. (The Extreme could not do this as it does not have an audio output.) No other device has ever offered this functionality. This means that going forwards it will effectively be impossible to use AirPlay audio streaming with Sonos. (I can see the secondhand prices of AirPort Express devices on eBay going up. 🙂 )

Therefore it is time for Sonos to solve this problem properly the way they should have done it in the first place which is to provide built-in support for AirPlay in their systems. Many AV Receivers e.g Denon, Yamaha, etc. have built-in AirPlay support as do other brands of wireless speakers e.g. Bowers & Wilkins. Whilst I believe most if not all of these are doing it by including a hardware chip with official AirPlay support the AirPlay protocol has been reverse engineered and open-sourced and implemented in many software programs purely as software. I believe the original need for the hardware approach was to include support for FairPlay protected music tracks but as iTunes music has not had such protection for many years and there are various legitimate approaches for upgrading your music to remove such FairPlay protection using a software only approach without FairPlay support is a realistic solution. (Obviously AirPlay Mirroring is never going to be possible with Sonos which is an audio only device so the fact you might need to stream FairPlay protected videos is not relevant.)

One could argue Sonos' previous short-sightedness is now coming back to bite them and if they had previously added this AirPlay chip when designing the new(er) Play 3, Play 5, etc. devices then most of their product line would already be compatible. (The older Sonos Connect devices might predate this.)
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53 replies

Lyricist II
July 6, 2017
Oh don't worry, will post to apple as well.
ratty
July 6, 2017
Indeed, lobby Apple.

Apple have never, to my knowledge, said they won't make the sorts of sensible integrations outlined.
July 7, 2017
I'd just love to mange my music in one place.

the better solution would be for Apple to incorporate the features into their Sonos app implementation, or incorporate Sonos Direct Control into the Apple Music app. [/quote]
Depending on exactly what "manage music in one place" means, one of the above is better suited. Ideally, both should be done. With Apple busy and orienting towards Home Pod and Sonos towards Alexa, I don't see it happening soon, unfortunately, no matter where the lobbying is done.
Wrong quote attribution, sorry!
Lyricist III
September 6, 2017
I literally have zero idea where the need is for this

I use Downcast to listen to podcasts. Downcast is not on the list of blessed services allowed to work in the Sonos app. With Airplay I could stream it to the speakers. Without it I have to stream to other speakers or change how I manage my podcasts.

That's one example.
Stuart_W
World-Class Superstar
September 6, 2017
I literally have zero idea where the need is for this

I use Downcast to listen to podcasts. Downcast is not on the list of blessed services allowed to work in the Sonos app. With Airplay I could stream it to the speakers. Without it I have to stream to other speakers or change how I manage my podcasts.

That's one example.


You need to lobby Downcast. Sonos provide a platform under their Music Partners Program for service provide to provide their own interface into Sonos.
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Lyricist III
September 6, 2017
Since Sonos doesn't allow for streaming over airplay I have to convince every company that isn't on Sonos to code to their ecosystem? Sounds like a big job.
jgatie
September 6, 2017
Since Sonos doesn't allow for streaming over airplay I have to convince every company that isn't on Sonos to code to their ecosystem? Sounds like a big job.

And yet, Sonos has more music partners than every other multi-room speaker company combined.

http://www.sonos.com/en-us/streaming-music

They must be doing something right.
Lyricist III
September 6, 2017
I can stream anything I want from any website or app I can download over airplay. With Sonos I have a couple of dozen choices. I am deciding whether to dump a couple of thousand bucks into their ecosystem and see a lot of glaring issues. Lack of flexibility, inability to control music if my iOS device goes outside of wifi range, poor 5.1 support.
jgatie
September 6, 2017
I can stream anything I want from any website or app I can download over airplay. With Sonos I have a couple of dozen choices. I am deciding whether to dump a couple of thousand bucks into their ecosystem and see a lot of glaring issues. Lack of flexibility, inability to control music if my iOS device goes outside of wifi range, poor 5.1 support.

Well then, looks like you have made your decision.
Lyricist III
September 6, 2017
pretty much. the sonos community seems to be populated with people that talk down to anyone that asks questions or wants more from the speakers. not impressed. The speakers look interesting but lower quality than a wired solution and more restricted than other options.