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Contributor I
February 2, 2018

Sonos One + 2 Play 1's or Play 5 with Echo Dot?

I've had a single Play 1 for about 8 months now and despite it frustrating the hell out of me, I'm very eager to expand the system. I'm not an audiophile (in a sense that I have a terrible technical understanding of sound), but I'm a fanatic of awesome sound with perfect base and like it much louder than most. The Play 1 has been a tease!

I also think the Echo is really cool but the sound quality does not make my ears happy. On a budget my first thought was a Play 5 and Echo Dot ($550). I want to see what that Play 5 feels like at all volumes...something tells me if I bought it I'd have a very hard time returning it. I also really like the Line-n feature because it would allow me to play my old school Ipod through it directly, bypassing that horrific app. Without question, my Ipod sounds way better than any of my iPhones ever have (both using auxiliary input in my car...no idea how it would sound with Play 5). The ability to have Alexa using a Dot really seemed to tip the scale, I'd have all the cool features of Alexa, plus I can use her instead of the app. I've lost sleep imagining that sound in my living room.

Then I picked up that Echo Dot had to be connected using Line-in, and that (in addition to command issues, and others) the sound quality was slightly diminished when Echo was the source. If that's accurate, then it's a deal breaker for me on the Play 5 with Dot.

Now I'm thinking that on the cheap side I could just pick up a Sonos One and a Play 1 for $350. That way I have Alexa as a useful speaker and with no diminished sound, plus I now have another Play 1 that I could pair up and have Play 1 in stereo in my living room. I've never heard them in stereo. I expect to be pretty impressed, but there's no way to know how good it's going to sound loud until its set up. I KNOW the Play 5 will have very impressive sound at satisfyingly high volume. I've READ that pairing Play 1's in one room really kicks up the volume and the base, but I'm not sure if it's true. If the paired Play 1's fall short of what I need, I still have that shiny new Sonos One to add to the mix, which should make it even better. Plus I've just saved $200 that I can put toward my PLAYBAR and eventual SUB. Oh yeah...that day's comin.

Sorry for rambling but I didn't want to just say "sound quality is important to me". As cool and fun as I think it would be to have Alexa, I would end up in a padded room if I had no better luck with her than with Siri.

To Anyone who reads this:

What's your Alexa setup?
What are the limitations on her abilities?
Are you happy with it?
How do Play 1's sound in stereo compared to Play 5?
If I want quality sound and decent Alexa, what's a better value, Play 5 with Dot, or Sonos 1 and 2 Play 1's?

Thanks for listening!
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31 replies

February 2, 2018

Kumar has a good handle on everything Sonos - I just respectfully disagree regarding the Dot and Sonos. I just like the Sonos One experience so much better then with my Dots. Now I do have a Dot in about every room in my house because I use them as intercoms (especially to kids rooms). But for Sonos I mean it works but I don't like them causing ducking of sonos sound across house and having to say the room name after my play command (hopefully Sonos is able to get the linking of dot to speaker going so I don't have to do that and then it will be much more like the Sonos One experience.


The reason I disagree with you is because I use my Dots wired to Sonos. That way I too don't have to specify the room where to play the music, the distance of the Dot mics from the speakers gives me better responses to voice commands than one Echo that I have or from a Dot placed on top of a speaker; all that you don't like about the Sonos Alexa integration or is missing at this point in it are non issues for me because these things do not arise in wired mode. Even if and when Sonos releases Alexa integration in India, I will not spend money on a Sonos One - because by that time I may probably want to change my Dots for Spots for the video UI.

PS: Is the ducking everywhere issue not there with the Ones?
Chris
Lead Maestro
February 2, 2018
I used to have my Dot hooked to my Play:5 in kitchen. Biggest issue I had was the play:5 would take to long to switch to line-in and I would miss the first word or so Alexa said. I think there was workaround in having Alexa play a tone before talking but I switched to regular sonos integrations by then and never hooked the two back together again wired.

Ducking - yes Kumar if you have a Sonos one and ask it a command it only ducks the sound on that Sonos One. It doesn't duck the whole system. The same goes for if I issue a command to a dot. The dot won't duck the sound of the Sonos One. Ducking wise the Sonos One works like you would think it should - like a regular Amazon Echo speaker does.
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February 2, 2018
I think there was workaround in having Alexa play a tone before talking

The dot won't duck the sound of the Sonos One. Ducking wise the Sonos One works like you would think it should - like a regular Amazon Echo speaker does.


Yes, one needs to know that little trick about turning that option on in Alexa of having to play a tone - once that is done, line in works very well. It ought to - there is none of the Amazon Cloud Server to Sonos Cloud Server comms involved there.

So the only thing missing in the One compared to an Echo are some features that are only present in the latter, and not the ducking nuisance that is presently an issue with other Sonos speakers.
Chris
Lead Maestro
February 2, 2018
Yea - I have to say I really like the Sonos One. And I'm not that big on voice control. LIke I said earlier it is real handy in bathroom and kitchen but I'll pull out the controller if I want to do anything serious.

I also have a lot of home automation and the Sonos works well with all of that. Example: I have my smartthings do my morning alarm where it says "Good Morning Chris" tells the time, tells the weather, tells me it has deactivated my security system etc. It does this through my Sonos One every morning - like it did my Play:1 in bathroom prior.

I actually have voice control turned off on all my Sonos speaker except the Sonos One and the Kitchen Play:5. So since only the one standard Sonos speaker on voice control it is the only one that ducks with Alexa commands issued to my Dots around the house.

Hopefully Sonos soon gets that linking thing working (which essentially will make a Dot and a Sonos speaker exactly the same as a Sonos One) so that I can link my Play:5 in Kitchen to my Kitchen Echo Show and then the Echo show will be the only one that Ducks the sound.
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Contributor I
June 6, 2018
Hello.
Thanks for this very interesting topic. One thing I still don't know about connecting Echo dot and Play:5 1st gen : does it have to be through the rear jack and turn sonos app on line-in, or could it be wirelss ?
Thanks
Chris
Lead Maestro
June 6, 2018
You don’t have to wire the dot to the play:5. You can use Sonos skill to send music to the play:5 wirelessly.
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Contributor I
June 6, 2018
OK, so in fact you're not controlling your sonos speakers, you just send music from echo dot to sonos speaker. So if I use a streaming service that is not available on echo, I can't play it on sonos, right ?
Chris
Lead Maestro
June 6, 2018
You can not voice direct a service via echo that the echo doesn’t support. Correct. Like if you use Apple Music you can’t voice command it via an echo. (Of course with airplay 2 you can do that via Siri on your phone instead)
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Chris
Lead Maestro
June 6, 2018
It will send right now minimal direct commands like volume up down or play pause skip etc.
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Airgetlam
June 7, 2018
It depends. If you're just controlling the music on the PLAY:5, it doesn't have to be wired. But if you're using the PLAY:5 as a replacement "speaker" for the dot, you'd need to connect it.
Bruce