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April 29, 2020
Question

Maybe add a boost to existing Sonosnet?

Hi, we have a Connect wired with ethernet cable (so running Sonosnet).  We also have a Play5 (original) connected to the Sonosnet wifi.  The Play5 is on a different floor and a couple rooms away, so a pretty good distance from the Connect.

 

The Play5 (primarily used by my wife) has pretty frequent dropouts when using Spotify.  It’s been doing this for several months.  I’d like to fix this for her, as I’ve noticed that she is using the Play5 less and less because of this.

 

Scenario 1:

Do you think adding a Boost would help, located somewhere between the Connect and Play5, but not hardwired with ethernet cable?

 

Scenario 2:

I could also add a Boost and hardwire it with ethernet cable, then position it a bit closer to the Play5 (in the basement, several feet below the Play5).  In this case, I would like have a 10/100 network switch between my router and the Boost (not sure if that matters).  Of course, this would require running some ethernet cable, but is doable.  I don’t have a clean way to run cable directly to the Play5.

 

For Scenario 2, I would still want to keep my Connect hardwired.

 

Appreciate any thoughts.

 

Adam

 

 

 

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    31 replies

    Airgetlam
    April 29, 2020

    Scenario 1: it might, the BOOST would act as an extender for the SonosNet radio signal, and not for your normal Wi-Fi signal.

    Scenario 2: I like this option better. 

    How certain are you that this is a wireless distance issue with SonosNet? I’d be awfully tempted to recreate a dropout, and then submit a system diagnostic within 10 minutes, and contact Sonos Support to discuss it, on the offhand chance it isn’t a SonosNet distance issue, but something else, like more simple wifi interference, or even perhaps a duplicate IP address issue.

    I usually suggest the phone folks, they have more tools available, and are available Monday through Friday during business hours. Twitter support folks are available 24/7.

    There may be information included in the diagnostic that will help Sonos pinpoint the issue and help you find a solution.  

    Bruce
    adam2434Author
    Avid Contributor I
    April 29, 2020

    Thanks, for the input.

     

    Figured I can get a Boost from Crutchfield and return it within 60 days if it does not fix the issue.

     

    Yeah, I’ll see if my wife is willing to submit a diagnostic, or at least tell me when she has a dropout, so I can submit one.  :relaxed:

    ratty
    April 29, 2020

    There are intermittent reports of trouble with Spotify. See if the problem recurs with Radio Paradise, which streams at the same raw bitrate. If that’s okay, then it suggests a local problem. If not, an issue with Spotify.

    As another data point, go to http://IP_address_of_Connect:1400/support/review (get the IP from About My System) and screenshot the Network Matrix.

    adam2434Author
    Avid Contributor I
    April 29, 2020

    There are intermittent reports of trouble with Spotify. See if the problem recurs with Radio Paradise, which streams at the same raw bitrate. If that’s okay, then it suggests a local problem. If not, an issue with Spotify.

    As another data point, go to http://IP_address_of_Connect:1400/support/review (get the IP from About My System) and screenshot the Network Matrix.

    Here is the screenshot.

     

    adam2434Author
    Avid Contributor I
    April 29, 2020

    FYI, my wife reported a Spotify skip on the Play5, I submitted a diagnostic, then called Sonos a few minutes ago.

    The rep said the Play5 was getting a weak signal and that we need a Boost or to install a whole new mesh network (I chuckled at that).

    The Play 5 worked without issues for years in the same spot on Sonosnet, so not sure why it’s getting a weak signal recently.

    Also, I have no idea how to read the matrix numbers above...good, bad, ugly?

     

     

     

    ratty
    April 29, 2020

    Nothing amiss in the matrix. Pretty decent signal strength. A Boost introduced between the Connect and Play:5 would do nothing. It would be ignored. 

    The matrix is however a snapshot, and wireless conditions -- especially interference --  can of course vary. 

    I would suspect an external problem with Spotify. As suggested, try an alternative source.

    adam2434Author
    Avid Contributor I
    April 29, 2020

    I can try another source for diagnostic purposes, but Spotify is the only source my wife uses, so if Spotify is the problem, the problem would remain.

    Is the Spotify problem specific to Sonos integration over Sonosnet wifi?

    I don’t have Spotify issues using the Connect.

    I wonder if it would be better to connect the Play5 directly to my router wi-fi.

     

     

    Airgetlam
    April 29, 2020

    Not to step on ratty’s advice, since he knows close to infinitely more than I do about networking, for sure, but I would lean in on his suggestion that it might be wifi interference, particularly externally based to your home. And since that report is a snapshot, it may not be occurring at the moment. Could be something as innocuous as a refrigerator motor, or a neighbor doing something on their network.

    But his suggestion of a Spotify issue isn’t amiss, there’s a constant level of complaints here about connections to Spotify. Although if your other devices aren’t having it that same issue, it may not lay at their feet at all.

    Bruce
    ratty
    April 30, 2020

    Is the Spotify problem specific to Sonos integration over Sonosnet wifi?

    Not if the problem is external, no. 

     

    I don’t have Spotify issues using the Connect.

    Interesting. What happens if you bring the Play:5 into the same room as the Connect?

     

    I wonder if it would be better to connect the Play5 directly to my router wi-fi

    It might be worth experimenting. Go to Settings/System/Network and enter your WiFi details. Once that’s done, simply power off the Connect or remove its Ethernet cable. Wait a few minutes for the system to sort itself out (you’ll see LEDs flashing) and then see how the Play:5 performs.

     

    If you continue to struggle, submit another system diagnostic within 10 minutes or so of a dropout. The players do retain a history of wireless conditions, but their memory is relatively short.

    adam2434Author
    Avid Contributor I
    April 30, 2020

    Ratty, thanks for the continued suggestions.

    I can try moving the Play5 into the same room as the Connect.  If the Play5 does not have dropouts, then Sonosnet strength would seem to be the issue, right?

    If I were to use my router wifi for the Play5, I can continue to use the Connect on ethernet cable, if I disable its wifi, right?  I believe this would block Sonosnet creation.

    The other thing I’m considering is determining how much of a pain it would be to run ethernet cable to the Play5.  I can easily run cable to the general location from my basement, but then would need to fish the cable up about 4 feet in an external wall cavity with insulation I’m sure (this could be the biggest challenge), and cut a hole for an old work box in the drywall...all stuff I’ve done before for various AV projects over the years.  If the Play5 were near an interior wall, I would have already done this, as I have hard-wired every other AV component throughout the basement and first floor of our house.