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Speakers controllable via web app (and others) but not Official iOS or Desktop Sonos App

  • January 12, 2025
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Hey everyone,

 

I dont even know where to start so I’m just going to list the problem(s) I have, my network and system topology, any troubleshooting steps I’ve taken, and I’m hopeful someone can help. Or tell me it’s not just me.

 

The problem + initial info:

  1. Specifically home theater setups (Family room: Arc+Play:1s+Sub (Gen1)) and Basement TV: Beam+Play:1s+SubMini) will show in the iOS app but will not be controllable.
  2. Expanding a bit:
    1. I cannot play music, change settings, enable night or speech enhancement modes, change volume, group, or otherwise do anything with the ‘room’ in the iOS app. The device is usually missing from the desktop macOS app.
    2. The speaker is fully controllable via Spotify, AirPlay2, the Sonos Web App, Home Assistant Sonos integration, and connected voice assistants.
    3. Sometimes the Desktop App will see the speaker and will be able to control the speaker but not the iOS app.
    4. The speaker is connected to my home network and to the same access point as other speakers in my system not experiencing this issue.
    5. Currently Basement TV HT is working fine.

My network:

  1. Unifi network with 4 APs, all connected to the same main switch. Speakers are connected to various APs and all but the home theater setups work 99% of the time. Family Room and Basement HT setups frequently experience the problem mentioned above.
  2. My gateway is a UDP-Pro that is upstream from the main switch. 
  3. All APs are broadcasting on 40mhz channel width for 2.4 and 5ghz.
  4. As mentioned before, speakers are connected to various access points and are controllable and group-able with each other. This is true even if my phone is connected to a different AP than a speaker (which is, i’m sure I dont have to say, how a mesh network should behave)

My Sonos system:

  1. 15 rooms, of that:
    1. 2 home theater setups, wireless (which is annoying I can’t hardwire the soundbar and disable SonosNet, but keep the ad-hoc 5ghz network for surrounds and sub, but I digress.)
    2. 2 hardwired amps (gen2), wifi disabled
    3. 1 hardwired play:1, wifi disabled
    4. Everything else is a single speaker and wireless. No stereo pairs.
    5. Because it will be picked apart: the hardwired play:1 and Amps were never an issue before the Spring 2024 “update” 🙃. They are also 100% reliable. They’re alsooOOoOoOo not broadcasting a SonosNet network, so I doubt there’s a loop issue here.
  2. I want to reiterate that it’s only the HT setups that experience this problem. The single speaker setups (wired or wireless) are usually almost always fine.
  3. All speakers are on 82.3-60160

Troubleshooting:

  1. All speakers, including the rears and subs of HT setups, have an assigned IP address. This helped with the sub and rear disconnects after a restart or update. (Rears and sub were assigned an IP during initial setup, if you’re curious).
  2. Rebooting router, switch, APs, soundbar, rear + subs, in that order (oftentimes this just results in my subs and rears being orphaned for a while until they reconnect to the soundbar, ugh). 
  3. Reinstalling the Sonos App sometimes gets the speaker become controllable. Rare. Hasn't helped lately (why i’m reaching out now)
  4. Restarting my phone, iPad, MacBook.
  5. resetting network settings in iOS.
  6. When I was desperate a couple weeks ago, I factory reset my whole basement HT setup. This didn't help (it still started experiencing the problem a day or so later). But what was strange about this is:
    1. Originally the room was called Basement TV, when I factory reset it, I named the room “Basement.” After a few hours the room changed its name back to “Basement TV” :/ 

 

Update, during the course of this writing: Family Room came back to a controllable state briefly. Was stuck displaying TV input, rebooted the app, and now it says “no content” in the iOS app. Other apps shows TV input, as expected. Please put me out of my misery. 

 

Hoping there’s a fix that I’m missing. 

Best answer by SpatialFX

Hello again,

 

So, it turns out it technically was my network, but not anything that I had any control over. My family room AP was broadcasting a rogue, hidden 5ghz network with the same SSID as my primary SSID, but I couldn't see it unless I had wifi scanning software. My guess (along with Sonos Support) was that speakers were connecting to this network and being sequestered away from the rest of the system and that’s why they were disappearing. I disconnected the Family Room AP (FlexHD for those keeping track at home) and it was like magic. Everything repopulated in the Sonos desktop app almost immediately. The iOS app still takes longer to load than pre 2024 speeds, but at least Im able to change settings and volume and stuff. 

 

Hope this helped anyone in the future. 

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Jamie A
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  • January 13, 2025

Hi ​@SpatialFX, welcome to the Sonos Community!

I’m sorry to hear you’re having issues controlling to your system via the iOS and Desktop apps.

You’ve already tried the troubleshooting steps I’d recommend on the community, so contacting support will be your best next step. However, there was a post on the UniFi forums on getting it to ‘play nice’ with Sonos; I’ll link the thread it was posted in below. If you haven’t seen it before, it’s worth looking through:

If you have following that post or it doesn’t help, then please contact our support team. When you reach out, you can provide them with this thread as to show what troubleshooting you’ve done. They’ll be able to look into your system and see why the other controllers don’t control your system.

I hope this helps!


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  • January 14, 2025

Hello again,

 

So, it turns out it technically was my network, but not anything that I had any control over. My family room AP was broadcasting a rogue, hidden 5ghz network with the same SSID as my primary SSID, but I couldn't see it unless I had wifi scanning software. My guess (along with Sonos Support) was that speakers were connecting to this network and being sequestered away from the rest of the system and that’s why they were disappearing. I disconnected the Family Room AP (FlexHD for those keeping track at home) and it was like magic. Everything repopulated in the Sonos desktop app almost immediately. The iOS app still takes longer to load than pre 2024 speeds, but at least Im able to change settings and volume and stuff. 

 

Hope this helped anyone in the future. 


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