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Feature Request - Speaker grouping.


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As you can see in the picture, I have a breakfast bar with a pretty good view.
I LOVE sitting here with guests, drinking wine and talking shite.

I LOVE my Sonos sound, too, BUT, I cannot get a good sound with a pair of ones at the window end of the breakfast bar. I think they’re just to close and the stereo sound doesn’t propagate well enough, or something. It just sounds pretty poor.

The pair of speakers I have are out of sight on the photo and provide great sound, but the sound is coming from behind me and I’d LIKE some sound to come from in front of me. Where the kitchen roll is.

I want to set up a system that cannot currently work together, a centre speaker on the BBar and the two existing behind and to the sides.

Can this be set up for sound only, and not tv?
Common sense says, get a Beam, but honestly, a Beam or Ray isn’t required for this. A single One or Three would do the job and I have a spare one.


 

Best answer by nik9669a

WickedDNA wrote:

The thread is a feature request


The thread title is asking for grouping speakers. Grouping speakers is already a supported feature. 

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jgatie
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  • March 13, 2025

Put the spare One on the BBar and then group them.  You can even use the new Zones feature, but you’d have to decouple the stereo pair to do it.

 


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jgatie wrote:

Put the spare One on the BBar and then group them.  You can even use the new Zones feature, but you’d have to decouple the stereo pair to do it.

 

Okay, I looked at zones, so if I do this, how do I automate volume increase/decrease while maintaining correct balance?
Each speaker will be slightly different distances from the bbar.

Plus, wrt the sound experience.
What stereo setup will each speaker have?
With my preferred triangular setup, I’d have one front speaker, hopefully outputting in… what? How does that work? ..then a L&R speaker in addition.

Forgive me, from previous posts, I know there’s preferred nomenclature and I don’t want the question to get bogged down by terminology.


jgatie
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In a Zone, each speaker is mono, playing both channels as one.  If you group the two (stereo pair and BBar), the stereo pair will play in stereo, the third one in mono. 


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For roughly the cost of Beam2 you could get an Era 300 which is designed to create a good spread of sound. 
Its design should create a talking-point for your guests too 😜


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nik9669a wrote:

For roughly the cost of Beam2 you could get an Era 300 which is designed to create a good spread of sound. 
Its design should create a talking-point for your guests too 😜

Makes sense, but I pick up used Play 3 for £65.
 


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jgatie wrote:

In a Zone, each speaker is mono, playing both channels as one.  If you group the two (stereo pair and BBar), the stereo pair will play in stereo, the third one in mono. 

Yeah, that’s the plan for the moment.

The thread is a feature request, so hopefully Sonos can address small problems and increase CSAT.


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WickedDNA wrote:

The thread is a feature request


The thread title is asking for grouping speakers. Grouping speakers is already a supported feature. 


buzz
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  • March 14, 2025

If you are attracted by the PLAY:3 £65 cost, install a stereo pair on the window ledge. Stereo listening will be optimal when your listening position and the two speakers form an equal lateral triangle. However, I can’t be sure about the dimensions of your space. Window ledge L/R speakers may be a little close to the table for optimal L/R because one chair will always be too close on either left or right.

You can still Group stereo or mono speakers on the other side of the room with window ledge speakers. Sometimes a mono Grouping or Zone of speakers is more satisfying than a haphazard gaggle of stereo and mono arrangement.

 


Airgetlam
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  • March 14, 2025

I’ve always had difficulty placing a PLAY:3 on a window ledge, due to the way the power cord comes straight out of the back. It’s not huge, but I’ve always preferred the PLAY:1 or Sonos One, both of which sit on their power cords for that type of location. Putting my PLAY:3s on speaker stands helped resolve that issue. 


buzz
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I have not investigated any of the details, but is may be possible to find a replacement right angle power cord.


Airgetlam
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I was thinking the same thing, back in the day…or a 90 degree adapter, which I’ve used on HDMI in several previous cases. But it really isn’t an issue at this point, as I purchased speaker stands for them. Which are probably hard to find these days, since the PLAY:3 stopped being manufactured years and years ago. 


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nik9669a wrote:
WickedDNA wrote:

The thread is a feature request


The thread title is asking for grouping speakers. Grouping speakers is already a supported feature. 

Does it work the way I want to though.
Just for music with one, effective, front speaker and two sides?
That’s what I want to achieve.


jgatie
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  • March 14, 2025
WickedDNA wrote:

Does it work the way I want to though.
Just for music with one, effective, front speaker and two sides?
That’s what I want to achieve.

 

Nothing really “works” playing a stereo signal through three speakers.  Stereo is meant for two speakers, if one is looking for the most cohesive “pure” stereo sound.  Once you add the third speaker, stereo goes out the window, and mono vs stereo pair + third speaker really doesn’t matter.  


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WickedDNA wrote:
nik9669a wrote:
WickedDNA wrote:

The thread is a feature request


The thread title is asking for grouping speakers. Grouping speakers is already a supported feature. 

Does it work the way I want to though.
Just for music with one, effective, front speaker and two sides?
That’s what I want to achieve.


What do you mean by “one, effective front speaker…”? 

You can set up a “room” with one speaker and a second “room” with a stereo pair. Then you can position them wherever takes your fancy in the physical room where you want them located. You can then set the two rooms in a group, and control the volume of the speakers in their configured rooms, either as a whole group or as individual rooms if you want to change the volume of one room relative to the other. So yes, I think the existing grouping capabilities addresses your currently-stated requirements. That could be done with Beam or other soundbar, Eras, Play:3’s, Ones, etc. For streamed music they will play in sync, whichever speakers you own and group. 


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  • March 18, 2025

Thanks everyone!
I already knew about groups and rooms and combining etc.
The reason I asked for a “front speaker” config,  was that each time I use the master volume, it screws up the ratio setting.

For example, I have set up 3x Play3.
One at the window end of the breakfast bar.

Two at the sides.
The two side speakers need to be set at 40 and the front speaker in the window is set at 20.
It seems like a silly thing to ask about, but I want the master volume to retain ratios.

This is the reason for the feature request.

Plus, to get the best out of the sonos experience, I wonder if the effective front speaker can play LR stereo to match what I’m hearing from the side speakers.

I’m aware that a single Era100 would be a better effective front speaker, but I don’t have that kind of money right now.


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WickedDNA wrote:

Thanks everyone!
I already knew about groups and rooms and combining etc.
 

I’m aware that a single Era100 would be a better effective front speaker, but I don’t have that kind of money right now.


So even though you knew about groups and rooms you started a thread entitled “Feature request - Speaker grouping” instead of “Feature request - proportional speaker volume adjustment in groups”. 
 

Still, we got there in the end! Perhaps a moderator will be along soon to note it as such. It will be a challenge though, as volume increases are, AIUI, logarithmic. With different speakers and amplifiers of varying power in different models, the math is, I suspect, a tad complicated.

And you should note that an Era 300 will give a much better stereo sound distribution than the 100. 


 

 


buzz
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  • March 18, 2025

Experiment with Maximum Volume.


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