Hello,
I'll start off with admitting I'm now tech dumb following a body/brain injury leaving me disabled.
I currently own a surround set up in my main house consisting of two wall mounted play 3's (as rears), playbar under my Samsung, and a sub... and LOVE the experience !
I am now in the middle of setting up a mancave I built for the purpose of a billiards room in a separate room (50+ ft from house) that is 21 ft long x 13.5 ft wide x 10 ft high, drywalled and insulated with Roxul, w/ insulated subfloor and a tight berber carpet with thick under-padding, all housed at one end of my 30 x 50 shop.
I have an IT specialist working things out with Sonos to create an acceptable/compatible/workable separate network in 'The Cave' with my annoying wireless broadband: Xplornet
My question to the community: (I already know it's overkill, but it's how I play, and my goal with this room is to play pool while fully immersed in rich FULL sound at any volume anywhere one is positioned in the room, and something to produce ridiculous heavy sound if/when the mood strikes hehe.) I was originally going to build a sound studio as I already own a very hard hitting 2000 w system with dual subs but with my decision to add a pool table I lost my floor space. So Sonos it is :)
Tell me, in your opinion(s)… based on my room size & shape, and that I intend to ceiling mount (easier to route add'l outlets than the walls), 4 Play5 v.2's, and 1 wall mounted sub, and wonder which would be the best arrangement for full sound immersion anywhere in the room:
4 Play5's ceiling corner mounted (2 each long end corners, paired stereo or not)? OR....
4 Play5 spread evenly surrounding the pool table not paired in stereo each wall center hung from ceiling?
Again, I know it's over-kill, but if it doesn't stun me with grins I'm not interested, and funds aren't an issue.
TIA
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The only negative is how we don't have supergroups and so with 4 speakers you are going to have either 2 or 4 groups to sync together depending on which method you go with.
Since your building this have you through about a Connect:Amp feeding 4 speakers in the walls on each side or above in ceiling.
Definitely get the Sonos sub no matter what! Unless you buy an in-wall sub to go with Connect:Amp
Since your building this have you through about a Connect:Amp feeding 4 speakers in the walls on each side or above in ceiling.
Definitely get the Sonos sub no matter what! Unless you buy an in-wall sub to go with Connect:Amp
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oh and if go with 4 play:5's I would think all 4 playing full stereo would be best in order to keep it the same no matter which direction you are facing at the pool table.
Hi Chris,
Thks for responding ;)
Unfortunately, this set up was an afterthought as the room construction and finishes are closed up and complete now.
I can still cheat access to my strapped drywalled ceiling space (2x10's) from the rough finish mezzanine area above the room at one outside wall (I 'may' be able to sneak into the wall cavities, but only on two side 😞 ), which would mean only 3 access points if I spread evenly (2nd question), or 2 access points if I 4 corner it (1st question).
Re your 2nd post, that is what/how I was contemplating with placements in the 2nd question. And if this is the chosen placements, would set them as individual full stereo speakers instead of pairing.
Hope I'm on the right track in mind-thought, yet it all depends on my IT guys working something out for Sonos to work with my wifi internet separate from my main house as I can't run hardwires to the shop anymore (damn 20/20 hindsight lol).
Thks for responding ;)
Unfortunately, this set up was an afterthought as the room construction and finishes are closed up and complete now.
I can still cheat access to my strapped drywalled ceiling space (2x10's) from the rough finish mezzanine area above the room at one outside wall (I 'may' be able to sneak into the wall cavities, but only on two side 😞 ), which would mean only 3 access points if I spread evenly (2nd question), or 2 access points if I 4 corner it (1st question).
Re your 2nd post, that is what/how I was contemplating with placements in the 2nd question. And if this is the chosen placements, would set them as individual full stereo speakers instead of pairing.
Hope I'm on the right track in mind-thought, yet it all depends on my IT guys working something out for Sonos to work with my wifi internet separate from my main house as I can't run hardwires to the shop anymore (damn 20/20 hindsight lol).
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Are you using Sonosnet in the house (one sonos unit hooked to router). If so your sonosnet may reach out that far. If not an old cheap bridge or something half way should extend it.
Even if you home wifi isn't out there - as long as Sonosnet reaches out there you can connect to Sonosnet direct with and android device as your controller.
Even if you home wifi isn't out there - as long as Sonosnet reaches out there you can connect to Sonosnet direct with and android device as your controller.
Thanks for your helpful replies Chris...
As I mentioned in my first post, I'm brain injured, so I can't piece things in my head properly anymore... hence why I brought in an IT tech to sort it all out and set it all up for me.
I need this new network to be on its own completely to not interfere with the household one at all (in constant use with either tv or music) and especially so vice versa. And yes, the house one (Sonosnet) is just within range to control from the mancave, but my internet router wifi is very inconsistent (opposite end of home upstairs from shop all routed in finished walls of course lol), within the shop (tin roof) which is why the IT guy is trying to work something out.
I'm also ALL Apple here btw.
Thanks again Sir for your help !
ps: jebus H, now I see they don't even have any ceiling mounts for Play:5's ffs, and the wall mounts aren't the same type of speaker adaptation as my Play:3 mounting ones that I cld have simply mounted to the ceiling .......Grrrrrrrrr !
As I mentioned in my first post, I'm brain injured, so I can't piece things in my head properly anymore... hence why I brought in an IT tech to sort it all out and set it all up for me.
I need this new network to be on its own completely to not interfere with the household one at all (in constant use with either tv or music) and especially so vice versa. And yes, the house one (Sonosnet) is just within range to control from the mancave, but my internet router wifi is very inconsistent (opposite end of home upstairs from shop all routed in finished walls of course lol), within the shop (tin roof) which is why the IT guy is trying to work something out.
I'm also ALL Apple here btw.
Thanks again Sir for your help !
ps: jebus H, now I see they don't even have any ceiling mounts for Play:5's ffs, and the wall mounts aren't the same type of speaker adaptation as my Play:3 mounting ones that I cld have simply mounted to the ceiling .......Grrrrrrrrr !
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Since the house is on Sonosnet its range is probably out pretty strong in your mancave (being you said your home wifi makes it barely there).
I would take a Sonos speaker from the house (not one closest to the mancave but one somewhere else in house). Plug it in the mancave area and see if it works.
If it works then you don't need to worry with the wifi out there. The speakers will be on Sonosnet and above we verified in that test Sonosnet reaches fine out there.
Now there is the controller issue. I would get a cheap $50-$100 Android Fire tablet from Amazon and set that up as permanent controller out there. You could even go as far as mounting it on wall locked to the Sonos app. Android controllers can connect to Sonosnet as well so it will be able to control Sonos then out there just as if you were in the main house.
Note: An access point could be plugged into one of the Sonos speakers out in the mancave to create a new wireless signal that would filter back to your home router. Just and FYI.
Remember - Sonosnet is different then your home wifi. You home wifi signal comes from a single point (your router). Sonosnet comes from every Sonos unit in your house. So distance to router doesn't matter just distance to next closest Sonos unit.
I would take a Sonos speaker from the house (not one closest to the mancave but one somewhere else in house). Plug it in the mancave area and see if it works.
If it works then you don't need to worry with the wifi out there. The speakers will be on Sonosnet and above we verified in that test Sonosnet reaches fine out there.
Now there is the controller issue. I would get a cheap $50-$100 Android Fire tablet from Amazon and set that up as permanent controller out there. You could even go as far as mounting it on wall locked to the Sonos app. Android controllers can connect to Sonosnet as well so it will be able to control Sonos then out there just as if you were in the main house.
Note: An access point could be plugged into one of the Sonos speakers out in the mancave to create a new wireless signal that would filter back to your home router. Just and FYI.
Remember - Sonosnet is different then your home wifi. You home wifi signal comes from a single point (your router). Sonosnet comes from every Sonos unit in your house. So distance to router doesn't matter just distance to next closest Sonos unit.
Ok, I think I understand what your saying, but doing it that way would it not affect the home volume/stream/playlist if I'm just piggybacking the home SonosNet in my cave ?
I truly apologize, I miss my brain 😞
I truly apologize, I miss my brain 😞
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Your Sonosnet in the mancave will be same sonosnet as in the house - all one matrix network.
On your controller in the mancave you will see your 4 Play:5 speakers as zones. You will also see the zones in the house. All of course are independent and Sonosnet can handle someone in the house playing a music stream to their zone at whatever volume you want. Sonosnet will be able to handle the stream fine coming out to your mancave where you can control separately the song, volume, etc. Each zone is independent and Sonosnet can handle streaming to all the zones.
You will see all your home playlists and zones in the mancave.
Music over Sonosnet in your mancave will not touch your home wifi in the method I illustrated with Sonosnet connecting back to your router and an android phone connecting direct to sonosnet coming from your speakers in the mancave. All internet music traffic filters direct back through sonosnet to your home router and then direct from internet.
On your controller in the mancave you will see your 4 Play:5 speakers as zones. You will also see the zones in the house. All of course are independent and Sonosnet can handle someone in the house playing a music stream to their zone at whatever volume you want. Sonosnet will be able to handle the stream fine coming out to your mancave where you can control separately the song, volume, etc. Each zone is independent and Sonosnet can handle streaming to all the zones.
You will see all your home playlists and zones in the mancave.
Music over Sonosnet in your mancave will not touch your home wifi in the method I illustrated with Sonosnet connecting back to your router and an android phone connecting direct to sonosnet coming from your speakers in the mancave. All internet music traffic filters direct back through sonosnet to your home router and then direct from internet.
Thank you... I'll will pass all this on to my IT guy to consider and set up.
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Have him come on in if he has any questions.
Small prep update...
My tech has set up a dedicated wireless bridge back to my main house router using two additional routers recommended by Sonos to my tech. So my understanding now is that a boost unit will be installed at my shop (mancave) point of entry to master my mancave set up while utilizing the house single point internet.
The Sonos components and wall mounts are scheduled to arrive and be installed/set-up on the 31st of October, so now I must get my butt in gear and get my ceiling outlets installed once in decide on whether to install the speakers 2 each at the long 'ends' of the room, or 2 each on the long walls... decisions decisions.
Either way, I'm super stoked to get this wrapped up, drink some pints, play some pool, and perhaps blow my brains out (whats left of them lol) with some serious sound !!! 🙂
My tech has set up a dedicated wireless bridge back to my main house router using two additional routers recommended by Sonos to my tech. So my understanding now is that a boost unit will be installed at my shop (mancave) point of entry to master my mancave set up while utilizing the house single point internet.
The Sonos components and wall mounts are scheduled to arrive and be installed/set-up on the 31st of October, so now I must get my butt in gear and get my ceiling outlets installed once in decide on whether to install the speakers 2 each at the long 'ends' of the room, or 2 each on the long walls... decisions decisions.
Either way, I'm super stoked to get this wrapped up, drink some pints, play some pool, and perhaps blow my brains out (whats left of them lol) with some serious sound !!! 🙂
Need some more opinions on placement:
Here is a pic of my room with dimensions (ceiling height is 8ft), that has a 4x8 ft pool table set dead center:
Red dots represent the play 5's (wall mounted due to outlet installs avail in ceiling only) initial thought of placement at 1ft in from side walls, and 1 ft down from ceiling at each corner at each end of room.
Green dot represents sub mounted on wall 2ft off insulated and carpeted sub floor.
My question is (looking for full immersion sound regardless of where I am playing around the table), is this the best placement with the speakers firing into the depth of the room (bought the flexson tilt/swivel horizontal wall mounts) for what I'm looking to achieve ?, or would I be better off mounting the speakers to the side walls and firing them inwards and downwards towards the table ? *This room is a dedicated and only sized to playing pool.
I can only cut in outlets ONCE, and they must go in the ceiling due to cross bracings and dense roxul insulation in the walls.
Opinions ?
Here is a pic of my room with dimensions (ceiling height is 8ft), that has a 4x8 ft pool table set dead center:
Red dots represent the play 5's (wall mounted due to outlet installs avail in ceiling only) initial thought of placement at 1ft in from side walls, and 1 ft down from ceiling at each corner at each end of room.
Green dot represents sub mounted on wall 2ft off insulated and carpeted sub floor.
My question is (looking for full immersion sound regardless of where I am playing around the table), is this the best placement with the speakers firing into the depth of the room (bought the flexson tilt/swivel horizontal wall mounts) for what I'm looking to achieve ?, or would I be better off mounting the speakers to the side walls and firing them inwards and downwards towards the table ? *This room is a dedicated and only sized to playing pool.
I can only cut in outlets ONCE, and they must go in the ceiling due to cross bracings and dense roxul insulation in the walls.
Opinions ?
Hi Smokum,
Are you happy with the setup (4 X Play 5 in stereo mode + Sub) and speaker placement shown in the pic above?
Are you happy with the setup (4 X Play 5 in stereo mode + Sub) and speaker placement shown in the pic above?
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