Ability to Add Sonos Roam to Multiple Sonos WiFi Systems?

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I think the ‘sharing’ of accounts etc. is pushing it and could also get confusing - hence some of the ‘What do you expect to happen when….?’ questions.

However, also lots of the reasons being given for some of the requests are because of how it works ‘now’.  The point of a Request is to change the way it works now - and who knows how much of a ‘fundamental’ change they may necessitate from the way it works now, other than Sonos?

I totally understand that all settings etc’ are part of the speakers’ storage etc. - but I quite like the idea of a speaker being able to be temporarily added as a Guest to another system.  All of its settings are kept segregated and inaccessible to the system being added to - the speaker can ‘simply’ be added to and controlled by, the ‘new’ (friends/family) system in ‘Guest’ mode - even given a name.  It’s a dumb speaker that can be used as such - no access to the credentials or services from its ‘home’ system.

Once it’s back at home everything is back to normal and no need to reset it again and add everything back again (in the case of it being a sole device).

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OK, I reset my Roam and opened up S2 and it detected the Roam and I added it fine.  It’s the only speaker in the App.

I then want to allow it to connect to another network and found myself in the previously mentioned loop….

i.e.

I connected my phone to a different SSID and opened the S2 App - I’m presented with this:

I select the Update Network Settings Option - and get this screen:

I select Find System - and get this screen:

I select Continue and get this screen:

I can swipe to the left and it shows my S1 speakers (on another network!).  I think this is stored in the App though (?) as these were also seen when I was trying to do the setup on holiday.

I hit ‘Select’ when on the Roam screen (above) and it takes me back to the second image above - to ‘Find system’ - where again, it finds multiple Sonos systems and I’m in a loop.

How do I allow it to connect to a different WiFi network without resetting it?

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@melvimbe

Good point on the voice assistant.  That is also a negative for resetting and re-adding the speaker.  You have to configure all of that again.

Regarding the music services, I believe that is a system/account setting.  I’m not prompted to set up a music service for each speaker I add, only the voice assistant.  I use Spotify and when I’ve added speakers to a friend’s system, works seamlessly.  I can’t speak for the other music services.  In the model I’m proposing, the host would just have additional speakers to use in a group where the host is controlling the music.  In that sense, they would become ‘dumb’ speakers in a group.  If this is the limitation, but am able to share my speakers without having to reset, worth it IMO.

Other manufacturers (Bose, UE, etc.) market their ‘party mode’ feature. It may not be something you’d use, but it does drive sales.  In the case of Sonos, it just creates frustration.

melvimbe

@melvimbe

Good point on the voice assistant.  That is also a negative for resetting and re-adding the speaker.  You have to configure all of that again.

 

 

That was not my point at all.  The point is that if you and your friend have different voice accounts.  His service can’t control your speakers, and yours can’t control his.  And it’s not as simple as “we’ll we just won’t use that” because Amazon would have write their programs on how to handle that situation.  Google too. Conflicts like that can’t just be ignored.

 

Regarding the music services, I believe that is a system/account setting.  I’m not prompted to set up a music service for each speaker I add, only the voice assistant. 

 

Music and voice service accounts are both stored at the account level. The difference is that you need to enable voice on the specific speakers, although voice can control music playback on all the speakers in your system.  But again, these credentials are stored on your speakers, not on your phone or in the cloud.

 

I use Spotify and when I’ve added speakers to a friend’s system, works seamlessly.  I can’t speak for the other music services.  In the model I’m proposing, the host would just have additional speakers to use in a group where the host is controlling the music.  In that sense, they would become ‘dumb’ speakers in a group.  If this is the limitation, but am able to share my speakers without having to reset, worth it IMO.

 

 

Turning smart speakers into temporary dumb speakers, which sound simply on the surface, is actually rather complicated.  It’s not impossible, but a rather big change that would impact Sonos code as well as 3rd party code that integrates with Sonos.

 

Other manufacturers (Bose, UE, etc.) market their ‘party mode’ feature. It may not be something you’d use, but it does drive sales.  In the case of Sonos, it just creates frustration.

UE makes bluetooth speakers, not WiFi.  Bose still makes WiFi speakers as well as bluetooth.  Are you saying that you can take your Bose WiFi speakers to a friends house and have them play in sync with other WiFi speakers without doing a reset?

Danny
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So, going back to a third Roam wifi roaming scenario referenced by Corryp earlier in this thread, I would like to have the Roam work in my own back yard for a start, given my Sonos-equipped country estate hasn’t quite materialized yet. Corryp for Sonos acknowledged in a separate thread about a year ago that the Roam’s inability to easily switch between access points on the same wifi network was a known issue, and that Sonos was working on an update to fix it. Afaik, that hasn’t happened yet as of firmware update 14.14. My specific question is re Corryp’s advice earlier in this thread, that a power down of the Roam and restart in the new location will allow the Roam to connect to the stronger wifi signal in that location. That does not work for my Roam - it apparently stays connected to the more distant router in the house and the sound continues to cut in and out badly. Is there another workaround to force the Roam to grab the signal from the nearer, stronger wifi signal from my access point? ( And I mean without having to set down my mint julep and get out of my comfy chair in the back yard.)

Ken_Griffiths

I agree that the Roam is ‘sticky’ to an original WiFi AP.

I haven’t tried this for sometime either, but IIRC, when I did once grab a Sonos Roam and began walking further away from the original AP-1, stepping past another AP-2, the Roam did eventually give up its connection to the distant AP-1 and it switched to the then nearer AP-2.. it was like it needed it’s WiFi connection to AP-1 to become ‘very weak’ before it would let go of AP-1 and it certainly did not switchover because the AP-2 was nearer... there must be a signal strength ‘value’ below which the Roam lets go it’s connection and then finds another, I suspect.

So my thoughts are @spacegrass is that your Roam is perhaps hovering somewhere in the (grey area). The ‘Neither’ Zone, perhaps🤔? 

J

How about plugging the ‘sticky’ AP into a smart plug so you can power it off for a few seconds while the Roam connects to the nearer AP, without your leaving your chair?

Yes I know this is pretty desperate, and not something you should want or need to do, as there are obvious downsides.

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