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Update on the New Sonos App and Future Features - October 28, 2024

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Update on the New Sonos App and Future Features - October 28, 2024

The latest on the Sonos App from Nick Millington

 

Please also see the latest statement from Nick Millington regarding the app updates.

 

October 28, 2024

 

This is Nick Millington, Chief Innovation Officer, with an update on the Sonos app.

As our CEO Patrick Spence has said, we know that too many of you have experienced significant problems with the new app we introduced in May. Over the past several months, I, together with hundreds of Sonos engineers, have been focused on a singular objective: to improve the Sonos app and overall software experience such that it not only meets, but exceeds the experience of our previous app.

We built the new app to improve our ability to drive innovation and make future updates and improvements when needed. Since its May launch, we have rolled out ongoing updates, and while we will never stop improving our software experience, today I am pleased to share that our new app now surpasses the old one across several important performance metrics: 

 

Issue

Equal to or better than the old app?

“Add Product”/Setup Success rate

✓

“System not found” and “Products not found” errors

✓

Configuring stereo pairs and home theater

✓

App responsiveness

✓

Crash-free sessions

✓

 

The items above correspond to the top issues we heard from you upon release of the new app, as measured by the volume of customer support contacts driven by each. For new customers, the experience of setting up your Sonos system or a new product for the first time is critical, and I’m pleased to share that our success rate here is now the highest we have ever measured, significantly exceeding the previous app. 

Other quality benchmarks – such as eliminating incidents prompting a “something went wrong” message– were not measurable in our previous app yet are today, thanks to improved monitoring capabilities. This means we can now better ensure we’ve not only reached, but will maintain a high quality experience. (Currently, fewer than one percent of app sessions result in a “something went wrong” message.)

Although we are working with urgency to improve the app, we are also mindful of our commitment to roll out change more gradually, and apply more stringent testing. For this reason, moving forward we’ll alternate between major and minor releases, maintaining our momentum of making improvements while also ensuring adequate beta testing.

For example, today’s update is a major one, including significant improvements to system setup and reliability of adding new products, as well as improvements to volume control and responsiveness, and Local Music Library search, sharing and stability. At the same time, some features are still missing. We know that these have devoted users as well, and we are eager to restore them. In November, we’ll roll out performance improvements to Trueplay, Add Product, and general system reliability, at the same time that we beta test missing features targeted for restoration in December. These include:

  • Improved volume control & responsiveness (Android)
  • Playlist editing
  • Album art for music library (Android) 
  • Support for Android users moving between multiple systems 
  • Improved music playback error handling
  • Snooze Alarms

As always, you can also view detailed updates on each new release, including today’s release as well as previous ones, on our Release Notes page. 

Even with improvements made to date, we know that customers will at times still run into issues. That is why we have expanded our Customer Support capacity, adding dozens of trained agents as well as weekend support. If you are still experiencing issues with our app, know that we have a team standing by to help debug or troubleshoot any challenge you are currently facing.

Having recently marked my 21st anniversary at Sonos, I want to express my deep gratitude to you for being a Sonos customer, whether you’re a first-time or long-standing one, and personally commit to you that the next 20 years hold so much more. The ease, reliability, and magic of our products is the most important thing to me and everyone else at Sonos, and the best is yet to come.

You can expect to hear from me again soon with another update on our progress.

 

Looking for the original update on the Sonos app from CEO Patrick Spence? You can find this archived on the Sonos blog.

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127 replies

Lyricist III
December 8, 2024

5 people like this 👍 sadly you can’t not like it so it’s a bit of a one sided view. Maybe add the 👎 to get a balanced view????

Ken_Griffiths
December 8, 2024

Great of you to offer help. Sonos used to be a solution even pretty non technical people could set up. Now you need to delve into the depths of networking and performing your own debugging to get basic functions working.

It’s still the case for the majority of non-technical users I suspect and it’s only in the minority of cases where some small amount of networking knowledge is required and in the majority of those cases it’s likely down to the users lack of knowledge in the first place (obviously) that their local networks are perhaps misconfigured and causing them issues with their system. - it rarely affects those that are knowledgeable, as they go onto fix the issue.

Sonos has published some aspects around this showing the new Sonos app is already equal to or exceeding five key areas compared to the previous S2 App based on the data they have gathered, during their own monitoring.

Enthusiast II
December 9, 2024

What is the status of the investigation into the “fragmentation of compilation albums” issue? 

 

 

 

Ken_Griffiths
December 9, 2024

What is the status of the investigation into the “fragmentation of compilation albums” issue?

I understand that it can be resolved for ‘some’ users by changing the ‘Group Albums’ option in the desktop Sonos App. See attached. Simply switch it to Album Artists and set the compilation Album tracks ‘Album Artist’ tag/field to ‘Various Artists’ - hopefully that will work for you.

 

Trending Lyricist I
December 9, 2024

Honestly I am losing faith, I just read your statement, I don't feel the same way as you do, I am your customer.

 

So I just thought I'd take a look at the android app and just try something simple, not techie, not specific, just try and play some music. 

 

This is what happened, 

 

Entered the app, unusually it showed almost immediately the last music playing on one set of my speakers, good start. 

Searched for a playlist on deezer, Found it fairly easily, all good. 

Pressed play, within a second it so the first track started, all good. 

 

Pressed track fwd button, waited 2-3 seconds, not goo d, eventually skipped fwd. Not good

 

Pressed again, nothing, no indication that anything was happening, waited 5-6 seconds, skipped onto next track, not good.

Eventually it skipped fwd, then added two other speakers, delay of 5 or so seconds, one came in, then the other, then the other, took 10 seconds or so to get them together. Not good

Tried to pause the music, no response  not good

Wanted to alter the global volume from the play screen, am o daft? Can't see how to do that. Not good

After 10 seconds or so of play, app switched to Can't find your system screen, 3 speakers shut down, two stayed live but much lower volume, app can't see any music playing on any of those speakers, so no I can't stop it or control it all. Very not good!

 

Gave up at this point.

 

Just to be clear, I don't have any fancy or specific requirements, just want to choose and control the music I am playing, not complicated.  IT DOES NOT WORK!  IT DID BEFORE.....

 

 

Hi, I gave the answers I had some thought, and tried something quite simple with my router that seems (fingers crossed) to have resolved lots of the long list of issues I have with the new app, mostly issues about response and disappearing speakers.  I switched on QOS quality of service on the router, then allocated each speaker to be qos.  The effect was instant and seems to persevere, I will write back in a week or so and let everyone know.

Enthusiast I
December 9, 2024

There are three versions of SMB version 3… 3.0 / 3.0.2 / 3.1.1  . . . .

As I said earlier, there is nothing by way of configuration options in the User interface of this NAS.  I have, by way of interrogating it via SSH, determined the following: -

smbd (samba daemon) Version 4.4.16
smbd (samba daemon) is running.
max protocol SMB 3 enabled
.

As this is not a “new” or even “recent” product I would think that this would be 3.0 rather than any later version

I have a ticket open with Sonos support and they have my diagnostics so hopefully they will be able to wire in a fix for the issue.

 

Ken_Griffiths
December 9, 2024

There are three versions of SMB version 3… 3.0 / 3.0.2 / 3.1.1  . . . .

As I said earlier, there is nothing by way of configuration options in the User interface of this NAS.  I have, by way of interrogating it via SSH, determined the following: -

smbd (samba daemon) Version 4.4.16
smbd (samba daemon) is running.
max protocol SMB 3 enabled
.

As this is not a “new” or even “recent” product I would think that this would be 3.0 rather than any later version

I have a ticket open with Sonos support and they have my diagnostics so hopefully they will be able to wire in a fix for the issue.

 

Ah okay - I hope it gets sorted for you. 👍

Enthusiast II
December 11, 2024

So it’s now 7 months on from the release of the disaster that was the new app and I’m still stuck without Sonos on my iPad (because I had to delete the new app and couldn’t go back) and on my Android devices I’m on the really old app.

It was said by many at the time and it still applies now in my opinion, a company that treats their loyal customers with such disdain really doesn’t deserve to be in business. No, I’m not wishing them to go under but I am wishing them to get someone else to run the company instead of someone who would rather release software that wasn’t even half way complete just to sell some new products.

Yes I’m still using my existing products but I will not buy any more. I, like many customers, have been a customer of Sonos for many years (2008) but I don’t consider myself as a customer of Sonos any more due to this shambles, I’m merely a user who will not replace any products when they cease working.

 

Trending Lyricist I
December 11, 2024

Honestly I am losing faith, I just read your statement, I don't feel the same way as you do, I am your customer.

 

So I just thought I'd take a look at the android app and just try something simple, not techie, not specific, just try and play some music. 

 

This is what happened, 

 

Entered the app, unusually it showed almost immediately the last music playing on one set of my speakers, good start. 

Searched for a playlist on deezer, Found it fairly easily, all good. 

Pressed play, within a second it so the first track started, all good. 

 

Pressed track fwd button, waited 2-3 seconds, not goo d, eventually skipped fwd. Not good

 

Pressed again, nothing, no indication that anything was happening, waited 5-6 seconds, skipped onto next track, not good.

Eventually it skipped fwd, then added two other speakers, delay of 5 or so seconds, one came in, then the other, then the other, took 10 seconds or so to get them together. Not good

Tried to pause the music, no response  not good

Wanted to alter the global volume from the play screen, am o daft? Can't see how to do that. Not good

After 10 seconds or so of play, app switched to Can't find your system screen, 3 speakers shut down, two stayed live but much lower volume, app can't see any music playing on any of those speakers, so no I can't stop it or control it all. Very not good!

 

Gave up at this point.

 

Just to be clear, I don't have any fancy or specific requirements, just want to choose and control the music I am playing, not complicated.  IT DOES NOT WORK!  IT DID BEFORE.....

 

 

Hi, I gave the answers I had some thought, and tried something quite simple with my router that seems (fingers crossed) to have resolved lots of the long list of issues I have with the new app, mostly issues about response and disappearing speakers.  I switched on QOS quality of service on the router, then allocated each speaker to be qos.  The effect was instant and seems to persevere, I will write back in a week or so and let everyone know.

 

For all those suffering ridiculous delays in the app operations, give QoS a try on your router, switch it on, then allocate the Sonos products you have to use the QoS service.  I would say it has pretty much solved all of the basic issues I had with the new app, slow response, lack of volume control, missing syncing between pairs etc.  Basicallyz app to hardware issues.  Give it a try, I can almost play my music again, still hate the UI on the app though, it's so confusing.

Lyricist III
December 14, 2024

Thanks but I don’t think I have QoS on my BT router?

but it’s still unbelievable that 7 months after the release of this appalling new App my Sonos speakers are playing music but the app tells me ‘No Content’ !!

so I can’t turn anything off or change the music. 
So frustrating and so disappointing after 15 years with Sonos.  I agree with the above contributor about never buying Sonos again