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Update on the New Sonos App and Future Features - October 28, 2024

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Update on the New Sonos App and Future Features - October 28, 2024

The latest on the Sonos App from Nick Millington

 

Please also see the latest statement from Nick Millington regarding the app updates.

 

October 28, 2024

 

This is Nick Millington, Chief Innovation Officer, with an update on the Sonos app.

As our CEO Patrick Spence has said, we know that too many of you have experienced significant problems with the new app we introduced in May. Over the past several months, I, together with hundreds of Sonos engineers, have been focused on a singular objective: to improve the Sonos app and overall software experience such that it not only meets, but exceeds the experience of our previous app.

We built the new app to improve our ability to drive innovation and make future updates and improvements when needed. Since its May launch, we have rolled out ongoing updates, and while we will never stop improving our software experience, today I am pleased to share that our new app now surpasses the old one across several important performance metrics: 

 

Issue

Equal to or better than the old app?

“Add Product”/Setup Success rate

✓

“System not found” and “Products not found” errors

✓

Configuring stereo pairs and home theater

✓

App responsiveness

✓

Crash-free sessions

✓

 

The items above correspond to the top issues we heard from you upon release of the new app, as measured by the volume of customer support contacts driven by each. For new customers, the experience of setting up your Sonos system or a new product for the first time is critical, and I’m pleased to share that our success rate here is now the highest we have ever measured, significantly exceeding the previous app. 

Other quality benchmarks – such as eliminating incidents prompting a “something went wrong” message– were not measurable in our previous app yet are today, thanks to improved monitoring capabilities. This means we can now better ensure we’ve not only reached, but will maintain a high quality experience. (Currently, fewer than one percent of app sessions result in a “something went wrong” message.)

Although we are working with urgency to improve the app, we are also mindful of our commitment to roll out change more gradually, and apply more stringent testing. For this reason, moving forward we’ll alternate between major and minor releases, maintaining our momentum of making improvements while also ensuring adequate beta testing.

For example, today’s update is a major one, including significant improvements to system setup and reliability of adding new products, as well as improvements to volume control and responsiveness, and Local Music Library search, sharing and stability. At the same time, some features are still missing. We know that these have devoted users as well, and we are eager to restore them. In November, we’ll roll out performance improvements to Trueplay, Add Product, and general system reliability, at the same time that we beta test missing features targeted for restoration in December. These include:

  • Improved volume control & responsiveness (Android)
  • Playlist editing
  • Album art for music library (Android) 
  • Support for Android users moving between multiple systems 
  • Improved music playback error handling
  • Snooze Alarms

As always, you can also view detailed updates on each new release, including today’s release as well as previous ones, on our Release Notes page. 

Even with improvements made to date, we know that customers will at times still run into issues. That is why we have expanded our Customer Support capacity, adding dozens of trained agents as well as weekend support. If you are still experiencing issues with our app, know that we have a team standing by to help debug or troubleshoot any challenge you are currently facing.

Having recently marked my 21st anniversary at Sonos, I want to express my deep gratitude to you for being a Sonos customer, whether you’re a first-time or long-standing one, and personally commit to you that the next 20 years hold so much more. The ease, reliability, and magic of our products is the most important thing to me and everyone else at Sonos, and the best is yet to come.

You can expect to hear from me again soon with another update on our progress.

 

Looking for the original update on the Sonos app from CEO Patrick Spence? You can find this archived on the Sonos blog.

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127 replies

Ken_Griffiths
December 6, 2024

Honestly I am losing faith, I just read your statement, I don't feel the same way as you do, I am your customer.

 

So I just thought I'd take a look at the android app and just try something simple, not techie, not specific, just try and play some music. 

 

This is what happened, 

 

Entered the app, unusually it showed almost immediately the last music playing on one set of my speakers, good start. 

Searched for a playlist on deezer, Found it fairly easily, all good. 

Pressed play, within a second it so the first track started, all good. 

 

Pressed track fwd button, waited 2-3 seconds, not goo d, eventually skipped fwd. Not good

 

Pressed again, nothing, no indication that anything was happening, waited 5-6 seconds, skipped onto next track, not good.

Eventually it skipped fwd, then added two other speakers, delay of 5 or so seconds, one came in, then the other, then the other, took 10 seconds or so to get them together. Not good

Tried to pause the music, no response  not good

Wanted to alter the global volume from the play screen, am o daft? Can't see how to do that. Not good

After 10 seconds or so of play, app switched to Can't find your system screen, 3 speakers shut down, two stayed live but much lower volume, app can't see any music playing on any of those speakers, so no I can't stop it or control it all. Very not good!

 

Gave up at this point.

 

Just to be clear, I don't have any fancy or specific requirements, just want to choose and control the music I am playing, not complicated.  IT DOES NOT WORK!  IT DID BEFORE.....

Not really enough information in your post to suggest a solution. For example, the speaker SNR levels maybe low in your setup and/or some of your devices may have interference due to excessive channel-width, or even use of non-overlapping WiFi channels, or simply you’re experiencing bandwidth, or WAN/LAN network, connection issues. Stating the issues is one thing, but if looking for answers you ideally need to provide at least some relevant detail about the way the network and Sonos devices are configured. Further issues can be caused by EoP adapters, or WiFi extenders/repeaters and issues may arise from security software running on the controller device.

If looking for a solution, I suggest it maybe best to reproduce the issue(s) seen and then immediately submit a Sonos system diagnostic report from within the Sonos App, note it’s reference and contact/chat with Sonos Support Staff via this LINK and see what the Staff can perhaps suggest to help you to resolve the matter.

Trending Lyricist I
December 6, 2024

Thanks, the real simple fact is nothing has changed since the ridiculous app upgrade in may, I accept that your reply totally makes sense, thanks 

Enthusiast I
December 6, 2024

​@Ken_Griffiths 

its a QNAP TS-112 with a basic but functional interface but unfortunately does not have any advanced SBB controls or options.  I have, however, managed to determine that is SMBv3 compliant.

However, Idon’t believe the issue lies with SMB because, for a while, after the dreaded May update and it was one of the later “fixes” that killed my Music Library ☹️

i guess I’ll just have to wait, with everything crossed, for the much vaulted December release🤞

Ken_Griffiths
December 6, 2024

​@Ken_Griffiths 

its a QNAP TS-112 with a basic but functional interface but unfortunately does not have any advanced SBB controls or options.  I have, however, managed to determine that is SMBv3 compliant.

However, Idon’t believe the issue lies with SMB because, for a while, after the dreaded May update and it was one of the later “fixes” that killed my Music Library ☹️

i guess I’ll just have to wait, with everything crossed, for the much vaulted December release🤞

There are three versions of SMB version 3… 3.0 / 3.0.2 / 3.1.1 - in my own experience I’ve not got Sonos to work with SMB v3.1.1, but the other two versions seem to both work fine. Are you able to set a lower version of SMB? If so, even if it’s just version 2.0, or 2.1 maybe give that a try - set the same version for both min./max. options if your NAS has those features and see if that resolves the matter.

Lyricist III
December 7, 2024

Patrick Spence

Well, I think you've done it! Can't even set up a new system at all now in Android. Take a look at the last 20 reviews on the Play store. All of them are one or two stars saying there are issues. 

I've been a Sonos user for over 10 years. I have bought over $5,000 in Sonos speakers for three different households. 

The can't even set up a new system right now on Android is telling... Whoever's running the show is not an engineer and the Sonos board should replace who is ever in charge with an actual engineer. 

I'm so frustrated and so sad. Because Sonos was the best thing out there. Sonos used to be fast too. I don't even know if many people know that. Volume control was instant, under a second and now it takes many seconds to change volume even on a system that is already set up. 

I think you guys fired the wrong people or somehow didn't retain the right people. Because it's obvious that whoever is maintaining the software right now doesn't have the historical knowledge to maintain it. I'm a software engineer and writing software is the easy part. Updating. It is the hard part. Doing this for both hardware and software is a pretty big feat, and it's what made Sonos so successful. And somehow that talent is now no longer. 

I feel sad about this and grieve this loss because nobody else really has what Sonos offers. And so many of us have invested so much money into our Sonos systems. I think the Sonos board has a decision to make.

 

Trending Lyricist I
December 7, 2024

So, after a Summer of No Library, finally got it back in September and though not perfect, at least allowed me to play music from my NAS. In recent weeks though I could see said working NAS in Windows, Sonos App (Win 11) Sonos would skip songs like spinning wheel then play one, then skip many then play another. NOW, this week, every time I play an album, or a playlist or a song, my play all in all speakers separates to individual speakers not playing anything. I group them and play for a minute and separate again.. HOW much pain can you cause what once a fine working system !!????

Airgetlam
December 7, 2024

Duplicate post here:

 

Bruce
Ken_Griffiths
December 7, 2024

So, after a Summer of No Library, finally got it back in September and though not perfect, at least allowed me to play music from my NAS. In recent weeks though I could see said working NAS in Windows, Sonos App (Win 11) Sonos would skip songs like spinning wheel then play one, then skip many then play another. NOW, this week, every time I play an album, or a playlist or a song, my play all in all speakers separates to individual speakers not playing anything. I group them and play for a minute and separate again.. HOW much pain can you cause what once a fine working system !!????

This thread is geared towards the Sonos App, but from what you describe, it’s unlikely going to be App-related. As an example, the Sonos App is not a music player, but is simply a remote controller for your Sonos devices, so once music is initiated from any source from within the App, you could actually close the App and power off the computer, or mobile device that holds the App and the music will (or should) continue the playback. If it doesn’t, then more often than not it’s a network issue between the source device (your NAS) and the Sonos speaker(s). So I’d suggest looking a little closer at those things being at the root of your issue. I use my NAS library most days and am not encountering an issue with the latest Sonos updates, so maybe checkout this link below to begin with and see if it may help you to discover the cause of the playback issue.

https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/reduce-wireless-interference
 

If the problems do persist however, then it maybe best to reproduce the issue(s) seen and immediately submit a Sonos system diagnostic report from within the Sonos App, note it’s reference and contact/chat with Sonos Support Staff via this LINK and see what the Staff can perhaps suggest to help you to resolve the matter.

Lyricist III
December 8, 2024

It’s still rubbish. Who are you trying to kid? Yourselves or your shareholders because as a user it is still awful, clunky, missing features, music library still not working properly and as for the GUI, who thought it was a good idea to have the layout the way it is!

Lyricist III
December 8, 2024

Swallow your pride and roll out the old one!
Be nice to have some music to listen to with out having to spend a morning reconnecting and messing about. 

If you’re perhaps having to regularly reconnect your Sonos devices, my thoughts here are that anyone with the type of issue ‘perhaps’ could have a multicast ‘device discovery’ issue across their network that’s preventing the controller device from communicating with their Sonos speakers. See attached re: SSDP/mDNS.

Such communication failure can occur across networks that use WiFi extenders, EoP adapters, or if managed switches are misconfigured. It can also happen if some settings on a local router are incorrect, or there’s software running on the mobile device that is getting in the way of the multicast communication, such as security software, VPN client, firewall, site blockers etc.

I’d perhaps investigate further in the areas mentioned and if still no luck, then it maybe best to reproduce the issue(s) seen and then immediately submit a Sonos system diagnostic report from within the Sonos App, note it’s reference and contact/chat with Sonos Support Staff via this LINK and see what the Staff can perhaps suggest to help you to resolve the matter.

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Great of you to offer help. Sonos used to be a solution even pretty non technical people could set up. Now you need to delve into the depths of networking and performing your own debugging to get basic functions working.