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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 21, 2020

End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

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End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

Please note that we’ve created a new thread with some clarifications to questions that have come up several times in this thread. Please see here to continue the discussion if you still have any questions. The information contained in this thread is outdated and may no longer be accurate.

 

We have some important news regarding our oldest Sonos devices shared on the Sonos Blog today. The text of that blog post is being included here for your convenience:

 

Starting in May 2020, some of our oldest products will no longer receive software updates or new features. We want to explain why and your options. 

When we first set out almost 20 years ago to invent the technology to easily listen to any song in any room, most of the ways we listen to music today did not exist. In fact, the first Sonos products were introduced before the first iPhone was announced and when Myspace still ruled social media. 

 

In order to invent multi-room music and smart speakers, we combined the worlds of high-fidelity audio and computing. Every Sonos product has a microprocessor, flash memory, and other hardware components typically found in computers and smartphones.  

 

Since launching our first products, technology has advanced at an exponential rate; from streaming services and voice assistants to wireless networking and Bluetooth capabilities.  Through all of this transformation, we have continued delivering new features via software updates. We’re extremely proud of the fact that we build products that last a long time, and that listeners continue to enjoy them. In fact, 92% of the products we’ve ever shipped are still in use today. That is unheard of in the world of consumer electronics. However, we’ve now come to a point where some of the oldest products have been stretched to their technical limits in terms of memory and processing power.  

This coming May, these legacy products—our original Zone Players, Connect, and Connect:Amp (launched in 2006; includes versions sold until 2015), first-generation Play:5 (launched 2009), CR200 (launched 2009), and Bridge (launched 2007)—will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

 Today the Sonos experience relies on an interconnected ecosystem, giving you access to more than 100 streaming services, voice assistants, and control options like Apple AirPlay 2. Without new software updates, access to services and overall functionality of your sound system will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their technology. 

To help you through this transition, we’re providing two options:

Option 1: Continue using these legacy products, recognizing that your system will no longer receive software updates and new features.  

Option 2: Trade up to a new Sonos product with a 30% credit for each legacy product you replace.

If you’re not sure if your products are affected, you can check in the System tab in your sonos.com-account

If you choose to participate in the trade up program, your legacy products will be put in Recycle Mode, a state that deletes personally identifiable information and prepares these products for e-recycling. Recycle Mode also protects unsuspecting people from buying legacy products that are approaching the end of their useful life and won’t provide the Sonos experience customers expect today. Recycle Mode will only apply to the legacy products listed above.

 

We ask that you take your legacy products to a nearby certified e-recycling facility. This is the most environmentally friendly way to recycle. That said, if there isn’t a facility in your area, we are happy to pay for you to ship your products back to Sonos for responsible recycling.    

 

Ideally all our products would last forever, but for now we’re limited by the existing technology. Our responsibility here is threefold: build products that last a long time; continually look for ways to make our products more environmentally friendly through materials, packaging, and our supply chain and take responsibility for helping you through the transition once products near the end of their useful life.  

 

We’ve always believed in freedom of choice, whether that means choosing a certain streaming service or way to control your listening experience. We hope the choices provided here—continuing to use these products without new software updates or trading up to our modern products—enable you to make the choice that’s right for you. 

 

We are honored to have a place in your home and want to make sure that we help continue to bring the best experience we can, even when products reach the end of their useful life. 

 

More information.

 

Please let us know if you have any questions.

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    Lyricist II
    January 21, 2020

    I’m still processing the notion that  basically my entire 7 zone system is obsolete.

    I’ve had SONOS since it was born, I’ve been a promoter of it to anyone who would listen… but I’m actively reconsidering that position/outlook.

    My questions:

    1. The way the announcement was worded, I’m expecting that at some point in time my system loses CURRENT working functionality - which means it’s useless to me. Is that true?
    2. I’m fine just freezing my system at whatever SW version will continue to work on my hardware. How do I do that right now?  I can do without whatever SONOS is developing going forward.

    If I’m going to start losing functionality across my whole system, and my option is to replace everything, I’d very actively consider dumping Sonos entirely and using another smart speaker system - if only because Sonos has chosen a path of forced obsolescence.

     

    Dennis

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    chickentender
    January 21, 2020

    I’ve been on this forum on and off for years, have often played devil’s advocate, and normally I’ve found myself siding with Sonos in many cases;  but in the past two years that position has softened, and today (upon receipt of this same email notification) finally crumbled. 
    In the case of the :Connect (my :Bridge notwithstanding), were the Sonos Port replacement model an actual upgrade in terms of hardware (beyond an improved DAC which should be expected in a refresh no matter what), offering additional connection options and more versatility (something I’ve hoped for and looked toward for several years) it would be one thing. But in fact it instead offers very little if any hardware improvement beyond size and color, and removes physical connectivity options, namely the optical port. It is black. It is smaller and rack-mountable. It has 12v triggering. In short it is a different product specifically useful to installers, and adds software connectivity additional that I do not require or have use for.
    For my part, since the replacement offers me literally nothing in added value, but only adds additional cost for identical functionality I already have, I will (like others in this thread), for the very first time in roughly 7 years, be exploring other alternatives to replace Sonos. My system will remain as it is. There is no viable reason for me as a consumer to invest more into the Sonos ecosystem if that ecosystem is turning out to be (for most intents and purposes) just another subscription-based model, and a very costly one at that.
    My system works and I’ll leave it as such - I do wish the more current offerings had more to offer me, but my life will not end and my music will not stop. I am not “enraged” as some seem to be, but I am quite disappointed and very frankly, cannot be the Sonos advocate I once was.

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    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    All this said, Sonos app is working on all our old android tablets over time that we were told might have limited functionality and no new features.

    Maybe I missed it in the discussion but does it mean that those boxes “will not play music” or “will not have new whistles and bells”? 

    I’m unclear on that?

    In May, the change will be that legacy players won’t get updates, so no new whistles and bells. However, if at some point in the future after then, a music service like Spotify or Apple Music changes their service connection protocols, there won’t be a software update for legacy devices to fix that connection and the service would stop working.

    Thanks for clarifying Ryan. Whilst a lot of frustration tonight (and in the main fairly so) this does at least explain the music playing reality for the near future.

    So basically we can play music for the foreseeable future until the streaming providers stop supporting?

    Ryan’s reply seems disingenuous.  The announcement said that after May your system won’t get ANY updates.  Don’t blame that on Apple or Spotify.  Even if they don’t change anything, SONOS will apparently not update your system.  No bug fixes, no changes needed for new SONOS products, etc.  My system logs way more updates than the few that reflect service changes. 

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    jgatie
    January 21, 2020

    I’m still processing the notion that  basically my entire 7 zone system is basically obsolete.

    I’ve had SONOS since it was born, I’ve been a promoter of it to anyone who would listen… but I’m actively reconsidering that position/outlook.

    My questions:

    1. The way the announcement was worded, I’m expecting that at some point in time my system loses CURRENT working functionality - which means it’s useless to me. Is that true?

     

    Eventually, a music service may make changes that are incomaptible with old software.  Thus, functionality will gradually decrease in regards to streaming services.  Local library streaming will be fine.

     

    1. I’m fine just freezing my system at whatever SW version will continue to work on my hardware. How do I do that right now?  I can do without whatever SONOS is developing going forward.

     

    I’m sure Sonos will have instructions/procedures for locking out updates before the big day comes.  

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    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    This is totally unacceptable.  I purchased a Play 5 in the summer of 2015.  I added a connect in the fall of 2017.   I added a Play 1 last winter.  None are even 5 years old yet and now you are telling me that Sonos is abandoning  my products!  WTF!  If these were $49 bluetooth speakers it might be ok, but this is not ok.

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    Enthusiast I
    January 21, 2020

    I see my original reply was deleted maybe the language Used was a touch strong, never will Sonos see another penny from me after this debacle.

    to give a comparison to another company, I had an original B&W zeppelin with the old dock connector once i realised we no longer had a device that would work on it I emailed to ask if they sold a converter or if I could pay to have a new lightening connector fitted. I received a lovely email back offering me the latest version at a whopping 75% discount and I could keep the original and use it with aux in.

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    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    Patrick Spence, who took over as Sonos CEO three years ago, has made it a mission to hasten the company’s product release cycle. And as the cycle has become slightly compressed, Sonos has also partnered with other technology companies (like Amazon and Google) who work within their own faster release cycles, and have the ability to dictate when or how certain software features work, or potentially, stop working. 

    Written by  Lauren Goode  who is a senior writer at WIRED she covers products, apps, services, and consumer tech issues and trends. 

     

    I read that if you have legacy products connected you will not be able to update your system until you disconnect them.  Once disconnected they will no longer work.

    We need to Ban together as consumers and make a report to the

    Consumer Protection Agency.

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    Lyricist II
    January 21, 2020

    That's nice, thanks sonos. You just ***** over your most loyal customers in a market where Sonos is no longer the obvious choice. I will never buy another sonos product again. RIP Sonos..

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    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    One important aspect of Sonos speakers is they do not work without a controller with an internet connection. So when the controller stops working, which it inevitably will without regular software updates, your expensive Sonos speakers will become useless bricks.

    If you happen to have a line-in, you may be able to continue using them like it’s 1999. But many Sonos speakers do not have a line in: https://support.sonos.com/s/article/1080?language=en_US

    What that means is when (not if) Sonos stops updating your Play:1, Play:3 and gen 3 Play:5 speakers, they will simply stop working soon thereafter and you will have to throw them away.

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    Lyricist I
    January 21, 2020

    This is like when the swedish football player Zlatan Ibrahimovic raised a statue of himself in his childhood neighborhood in Malmö, right outside the arena of Malmös football club. A half year later, he bought a huge part in a rival football club in Stockholm. Now, the statue has been vandalized, removed and Zlatan went from a Malmö-ambassador to a traitor whom isn´t welcome back anytime soon.

    I thought it was a schoolbook example in how you become impopular, seems like Sonos has taken over the first place now...

     

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