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Ryan S
Retired Sonos Staff
January 21, 2020

End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

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End of Software Updates for Legacy Products

Please note that we’ve created a new thread with some clarifications to questions that have come up several times in this thread. Please see here to continue the discussion if you still have any questions. The information contained in this thread is outdated and may no longer be accurate.

 

We have some important news regarding our oldest Sonos devices shared on the Sonos Blog today. The text of that blog post is being included here for your convenience:

 

Starting in May 2020, some of our oldest products will no longer receive software updates or new features. We want to explain why and your options. 

When we first set out almost 20 years ago to invent the technology to easily listen to any song in any room, most of the ways we listen to music today did not exist. In fact, the first Sonos products were introduced before the first iPhone was announced and when Myspace still ruled social media. 

 

In order to invent multi-room music and smart speakers, we combined the worlds of high-fidelity audio and computing. Every Sonos product has a microprocessor, flash memory, and other hardware components typically found in computers and smartphones.  

 

Since launching our first products, technology has advanced at an exponential rate; from streaming services and voice assistants to wireless networking and Bluetooth capabilities.  Through all of this transformation, we have continued delivering new features via software updates. We’re extremely proud of the fact that we build products that last a long time, and that listeners continue to enjoy them. In fact, 92% of the products we’ve ever shipped are still in use today. That is unheard of in the world of consumer electronics. However, we’ve now come to a point where some of the oldest products have been stretched to their technical limits in terms of memory and processing power.  

This coming May, these legacy products—our original Zone Players, Connect, and Connect:Amp (launched in 2006; includes versions sold until 2015), first-generation Play:5 (launched 2009), CR200 (launched 2009), and Bridge (launched 2007)—will no longer receive software updates or new features. 

 Today the Sonos experience relies on an interconnected ecosystem, giving you access to more than 100 streaming services, voice assistants, and control options like Apple AirPlay 2. Without new software updates, access to services and overall functionality of your sound system will eventually be disrupted, particularly as partners evolve their technology. 

To help you through this transition, we’re providing two options:

Option 1: Continue using these legacy products, recognizing that your system will no longer receive software updates and new features.  

Option 2: Trade up to a new Sonos product with a 30% credit for each legacy product you replace.

If you’re not sure if your products are affected, you can check in the System tab in your sonos.com-account

If you choose to participate in the trade up program, your legacy products will be put in Recycle Mode, a state that deletes personally identifiable information and prepares these products for e-recycling. Recycle Mode also protects unsuspecting people from buying legacy products that are approaching the end of their useful life and won’t provide the Sonos experience customers expect today. Recycle Mode will only apply to the legacy products listed above.

 

We ask that you take your legacy products to a nearby certified e-recycling facility. This is the most environmentally friendly way to recycle. That said, if there isn’t a facility in your area, we are happy to pay for you to ship your products back to Sonos for responsible recycling.    

 

Ideally all our products would last forever, but for now we’re limited by the existing technology. Our responsibility here is threefold: build products that last a long time; continually look for ways to make our products more environmentally friendly through materials, packaging, and our supply chain and take responsibility for helping you through the transition once products near the end of their useful life.  

 

We’ve always believed in freedom of choice, whether that means choosing a certain streaming service or way to control your listening experience. We hope the choices provided here—continuing to use these products without new software updates or trading up to our modern products—enable you to make the choice that’s right for you. 

 

We are honored to have a place in your home and want to make sure that we help continue to bring the best experience we can, even when products reach the end of their useful life. 

 

More information.

 

Please let us know if you have any questions.

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    1377 replies

    January 22, 2020

    @Kumar: you originally stated: “As of now it appears that you will have to leave one legacy unit powered on all the time to prevent the rest of such from being bricked via an update that slips past unwittingly.”

    This is incorrect.

    How so? If all my legacy units are powered off, Sonos will apply the update to all the non legacy products that are on at the time the update is requested. But if even one legacy product is seen in the system by virtue of it being powered on, no updates will be applied even if requested. Inadvertently or otherwise.

    That is what I meant. What am I missing?

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

       Just bought a Connect 2 weeks ago (5th one). The Connect I bought 2 years ago is new enough to continue getting updates. The one from 2 weeks ago is not. Nice. 4 Connects and a Play 5 that may or may not be usable by the end of the year. 

       Clueless? Disconnected? Desperate? What is the word for the folks making the decision's here? Feeling the pressure from all the copycat products? Just want more money? You may continue on just fine since the average consumer is pretty ill informed and has a short memory. The 1100+ post above me seem to point to a pretty large and loyal customer base. Like most of the 1100+ post above me, I'm out. 

       Maybe it's time I got back to work on that Raspberry Pi/ Volumio project. About $100 each and I have control over what software and updates it runs.

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    The players aren’t going to be bricked straight away. The issue comes if a streaming service makes a breaking change to their streaming service API. That then means that the legacy products are no longer able to stream the streaming service. You may still be able to stream other streaming services, but gradually the functionality of the speaker will cease.

    I know that. I’m wondering why @Kumar thinks otherwise.

    If my current products were inadvertently updated after May, I would have no legacy controller lying around, not being accustomed to keeping or using such animals. And then there would be no way to access the legacy products left with me. As soon as the update gets applied, starting with controllers.

    That is my definition of bricked.

    @Kumar: you originally stated: “As of now it appears that you will have to leave one legacy unit powered on all the time to prevent the rest of such from being bricked via an update that slips past unwittingly.”

    This is incorrect.

    It seems to me that if the streaming services are really the concern, then they could build a device that is firmware upgradeable that can interface with the streaming service instead of sunsetting millions of perfectly fine speakers and devices.  There are many options that could be considered that would be much better for the existing community, but it doesn’t seem like Sonos Leadership really care about us….

    Avid Contributor I
    January 22, 2020

    Just seen this reported on BBC News here in the UK (11:49 if you want to catch up on iPlayer).

    Only a brief segment so no mention of exactly what the news means for owners, just that the devices will no longer be supported or receive updates and an implication that customers need to upgrade

    Contributor I
    January 22, 2020

    Dear SONOS, and dear community,
    back in 2008, I started to invest in SONOS for my house. I own

    • 1 Play:5 Gen1**
    • 2 ZP90**
    • 2 Connect:Amp**
    • 2 Play:1
    • 2 One
    • 1 Playbar
    • 1 Sub

    ** = these will render useless per SONOS’ announcement, with only a 4 months notice period (!). I will certainly de-invest going forward.

    One of the strengths of SONOS has been quality and durability, and product support length unknown in the industry. While that is a strength, it is also a weakness for the business model which requires a constant & growing stream of revenue in order to remain profitable.

    The community understands that SONOS needs to operate a viable business model to be able to pay their developers, R&D etc. The current strategy, to declare hardware that is still fully functional obsolete, is wrong for a number of reasons:

    • waste of resources
    • decline in long term customer satisfaction, damaging the business in the long run
    • affected customers will very likely shrink their future investments
    • the 30% discount on Trade up program harms margin

    The argument that the old hardware does not meet performance requirements is baloney. In the end, it’s a bit of networking, buffering (I can’t see requirements change here), and file index for home library (I can’t see that grow).

    SO HERE IS THE SUGGESTION:

    • publish a 7 year life cycle policy - free updates/maintenance from date of purchase.
    • offer 5 years extended life support for a subscription fee
    • Trade-up option

    I would be willing to pay 10 USD/EUR per month&household for this extended life subscription.

    WHAT WOULD THIS DO FOR SONOS AND CUSTOMERS?

    1. extended life subscription offers an additional revenue stream and pays for the maintenance
    2. it’s a strong buying argument
    3. customers can be confident about the product life cycle, and plan accordingly (and rather than seeing thousands of $$$ render useless overnight have a runway to replace bit by bit)
    4. customer satisfaction and “recommend to a friend” would go up

    PLEASE, SONOS, RE-THINK YOUR POLICY AND CONSIDER AN EXTENDED LIFE SUBSCRIPTION.

    What do others think about this?

    - Tobias

     

    No thanks Tobias, I pay enough monthly subscriptions, I just want to be able to use equipment I paid a premium for at no extra cost. Some people may only have 1 or 2 products, I'm sure they will be happy with your suggestion!

    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    This is appalling, these were expensive products for me promising an enhanced experience.

    I was prepared to live with the slightly glitchy software but now knowing that you intend reduce the functionality and maybe even ‘brick’ my system means I will no longer purchase or recommend your products in the future.

    The cheek of suggesting I can upgrade at 30% off! You must be joking.

    Very annoyed.

    Contributor I
    January 22, 2020

    Just seen this reported on BBC News here in the UK (11:49 if you want to catch up on iPlayer).

    Only a brief segment so no mention of the implication, just that the devices will no longer be supported or receive updates and an implication that customers need to upgrade

    Congratulations Sonos, you've made national news, now let's all watch your share price drop.........

    pwt
    Virtuoso
    January 22, 2020

    @Kumar: you originally stated: “As of now it appears that you will have to leave one legacy unit powered on all the time to prevent the rest of such from being bricked via an update that slips past unwittingly.”

    This is incorrect.

    How so? If all my legacy units are powered off, Sonos will apply the update to all the non legacy products that are on at the time the update is requested. But if even one legacy product is seen in the system by virtue of it being powered on, no updates will be applied even if requested. Inadvertently or otherwise.

    That is what I meant. What am I missing?

    First, it’s just speculation as to how update policies will be applied. Second, what players get ‘bricked’, under any update scenario?

    4 x P:5 | Sub | 4 x P:1 | 3 x Connect | 2 x Boost | Connect:Amp | 2 x One | Amp | Move | Port | Era 300
    Lyricist I
    January 22, 2020

    Please reconsider this misstep. I have spent thousands of dollars and my newer products shouldn’t be neutered because I want to keep using the older ones. Like others, I will exit using Sonos if nothing changes. 

    Contributor I
    January 22, 2020

    Whats the best alternative to Sonos Guys ?

     

    I have 3 Play 5’s as well as connect amp ?