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Caroline V.
Retired Community Manager
August 1, 2022

14.12 Update

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Changes to volume mapping and impact on Sub output

 

Thank you for your feedback regarding the recent 14.12 software update with Enhanced Clarity for Arc. 

 

In this update, we made a change to Arc’s audio profile to improve dialogue clarity and the overall sound experience. This change is based on feedback from our listeners in the field and brings Arc in line with our other Home Theater products, resulting in a more accurate representation of the sound as intended by the content creator. 

 

The updated tuning adjusts the spectral balance of Arc+Sub to achieve a more accurate representation of the sound and an improved sound experience. While the Arc+Sub output capability remains the same,  the mapping of volume across the 0-100% range has been adjusted with this release which means low and mid volume levels are relatively lower compared to the previous tuning so you may need to adjust the volume slider to achieve your pre-update volume level. The maximum volume and bass output are unchanged. We acknowledge that this change was not made more clear in the release notes and in the future we’ll be sure to make sure we communicate these rare changes more effectively. 

 

Please note, we have identified an issue for some users of Arc, Beam and Ray whose configuration includes a Sub (with or without surrounds), who may find their Sub output is lower than desired after performing a new Trueplay tuning. 

 

Users with Beam or Ray bonded with Sub can increase the Sub level for a more powerful low-end response, however this won’t have the same impact for Arc users. Customers using Arc bonded with a Sub (and/or surrounds) who find their Sub output is lower than desired following performing a new Trueplay tuning, should temporarily disable Trueplay on Arc until this is addressed by an upcoming software update. 

 

Trueplay tunings for Home Theater configurations without a bonded Sub are unaffected, including standalone soundbars and those bonded with surrounds only.   

 


 

If you would like any assistance adjusting the sound of your Home Theater setup, the community is here to help. You can also contact Sonos support.

 

Moderation edit:

With the 14.18 software update, the above mentioned issues have been addressed, and the Enhanced Clarity for Arc adjustments are retained. There was a clear preference within our community for the previous volume settings, and these have been restored. This will be apparent immediately after updating to 14.18. The Trueplay issue has been fixed. Customers who experienced a lower Sub level after performing Trueplay after updating to 14.12 will need to update their systems and then perform a new Trueplay tuning in order to address these improvements in their system. Customers will hear a more powerful low end response, meaning any Sub level adjustments made after 14.12 should no longer be required.

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Enthusiast I
September 15, 2022

TV and streaming devices are not a factor - the issue is on the SONOS side of the equation.

I’m not talking about golden ears or “what people can hear”.  Those are subjective measures of an objective problem.

It’s nice that you’re so trusting.  I, for one, have trouble trusting a company that has ruined a product that I paid a decent amount of money for and has now spent two months minimizing or ignoring that issue.

 

HDMI and CEC are notoriously unreliable when it comes to standards, they are also very interdependent.  It wouldn’t be the first time a certain combination of HDMI/CEC hardware caused a problem which appears to be only soundbar related. 

What are you even talking about?  Sonos acknowledged that this a bug introduced in the 14.12 firmware in the OP of this thread. 

This has nothing to do with HDMI/CEC - you’re grasping at straws and just making stuff up at this point.  And, to be frank, it’s kind of weird.

Trending Lyricist I
September 15, 2022

Hi all,

 

We read all of your comments here on the Community and completely understand how frustrating this issue must be for those affected.

Please rest assured that our teams are continuing to work on this issue but we have no further updates on a timescale for a fix right now.

We are continuing to pass on feedback from this and other threads to our development teams so your voices are being heard.

As soon as we have something to share we’ll update you all on this thread.

 

Cheers,

James L.

James,

I imagine your department haven’t much of anything to do with Software Deployment, and someone had to draw the short straw on tending to the upset community.  So I appreciate your time, and of course do not blame you specifically for the issue.

I was calm about the issue when it first arose, thinking that Sonos’s Dev/Solutions team would be on this swiftly.  Especially given that TruePlay is a huge selling point for your system.  However now nearly 2 months has passed and not a single thing has changed to improve the situation.  This is unacceptable.

I do like Sonos throughout my house, but as far as Home Theater is concerned - I have now been pondering and researching some very nice discrete setups.  Sure it would cost me more than your 5.1.2 setup I currently use, but the best part is there is no way; the discrete setup I’m looking at, for it to break my EQ curve on some poorly deployed software update.

I’m still holding out, cause it’s not holiday bonus time (which is when I would buy a new system). 

In other area’s of software, if a product was broken like this and for a solid period - Dev’s would release a Roll Back, a new Firmware (that was just a roll back), or Patch to resolve until a full feature update could be deployed.

This unfortunetly is sad that the dev team at Sonos hasn’t resolved this yet.  I’ve gone from yelling your name to the top of the mountain to my friends and colleges, to treating your company like speaking the name Voldermort.

It’s ridiculous for me to claim everyone is going to run from your products because of this, I can’t speak for everyone else.  But if I’m considering leaving your product, how many others are there?  What should be scarier for you is that soon people will have your Sub Mini in hands.  What happens when your Dev team didn’t realize this product is effected by the current state of software?

You guys are playing a dangerous game, a large organization like yourselves should realize that in the short term you won’t lose money.  However in the long-term as people talk poorly of your product, decide not to buy more for their home around the Holidays, and start to support another company - that's the problem.

I appreciate Sonos takes its time to roll out into new products, but you’re all also behind the features available from other organizations now. Virtual Surround, 360 Speakers, Wireless, and even Auto-Tune branded services similar to your True Play.  Again, I appreciate the time it takes - because you want to release with quality in mind.  Unfortunetly as of two months ago, you’ve started losing the idea of ‘quality’ -- and the longer this goes, the easier it will be to see the value in all those articles that say, “X Product should make Sonos worried”.

Pretty much what I’m saying James, is who ever is in fact in charge of this failure - and lack of solution.  Please pass this message along.

Get your **** together.

 

*Moderator Note: Modified in accordance with the Community Code of Conduct.*

Enthusiast II
September 15, 2022

Amen mrZeDark!

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Prodigy III
September 15, 2022

It's not just the volume and sub or lack of bass issues hell it's not even truplay that is annoying 

The whole front soundstage has been altered it is tinny and centre channel heavy, ok for those that cannot hear dialogue but I  did not and from the posts on here lot's of others didn't either 

So please fix this or lot's of us will move on and share our experiences with others in our social circle 

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Enthusiast I
September 15, 2022

It's not just the volume and sub or lack of bass issues hell it's not even truplay that is annoying 

The whole front soundstage has been altered it is tinny and centre channel heavy, ok for those that cannot hear dialogue but I  did not and from the posts on here lot's of others didn't either 

So please fix this or lot's of us will move on and share our experiences with others in our social circle 

Yeah, right now I’m really focused on the Sub issue because it’s so apparent but I’ve noticed what you’re talking about as well and am concerned that even once the Sub issue is addressed that this subtler issue is going to remain.

 

Honestly - just allow those of us who are unhappy with the firmware to contact support and request a rollback.

Lyricist III
September 15, 2022

You are right most of us are focused on the sub/trueplay, it sounds sh@t now at the centre. The front soundstage is totally wrong, I dont listen to music anymore as it just doesn't sound right and movies are way too centre channel heavy and tinny at times . Atmos/truehd is not too bad but sounded way better at 14 10

 

For general tv viewing  (stereopcm or DD)my mother's £40 budget soundbar is no worse/ or my £2000 Sonos setup sounds no better than a £40 Sanyo soundbar

Lyricist I
September 15, 2022

Can we petition rtings.com to re-review the Arc with the new firmware? A lot of other online reviews rely on their numbers, and might update accordingly. We need to make this issue something that threatens their future sale figures.

Enthusiast I
September 15, 2022

Can we petition rtings.com to re-review the Arc with the new firmware? A lot of other online reviews rely on their numbers, and might update accordingly. We need to make this issue something that threatens their future sale figures.

Honestly not a bad idea to reach out to reviewers and tech news outlets to see if they’d cover the issue and put some pressure on Sonos to get a fix out.

Lyricist III
September 15, 2022

Can we petition rtings.com to re-review the Arc with the new firmware? A lot of other online reviews rely on their numbers, and might update accordingly. We need to make this issue something that threatens their future sale figures.

Honestly not a bad idea to reach out to reviewers and tech news outlets to see if they’d cover the issue and put some pressure on Sonos to get a fix out.

I did reach out to one, but nothing has come out of it (yet, hopefully).

Contributor I
September 15, 2022

I must have missed something, what is going on with 14.12? I don’t have a ton of time and haven’t watched much tv in the last few months and when I do it’s usually in a different room than where my Arc setup is lol