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Contributor I
August 31, 2024
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TruePlay for TV only

So I have home theater set up in an open floor plan, meaning Beam gen 2 with the TV, sofa closer to the TV (not middle of the room), and era 100s far behind in the kitchen.  Surround settings work great for TV and Music:  I can bump up TV level to reach the sofa, and more even level with Music as I’m more mobile and/or in the kitchen which leaves the sound more immersive everywhere with a sweet spot closer to mid room (and Music playback set to Full).  The problem is TruePlay sounds great for TV (rightly so as it is tuned for when I’m on the couch), but not for Music: most notable there’s a delay between the TV and surrounds, makes the music sound live instead of crisp.  This is explainable since it’s optimized again for one is sitting where tuned.  But it leaves me toggling TruePlay on and off depending if I’m watching TV on the sofa vs listening to Music (especially not on the sofa).  So, my question is there are way around this?  Otherwise, my ask is it would be really useful to have TruePlay have a dropdown to TV/Music/Both rather than On/Off, that would totally solve this.  For me, I would have it set to TV only.  

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Corry P
Corry PAnswer
Sonos Staff
September 5, 2024

Hi @earson 

Welcome to the Sonos Community!

I think it could (not would - I don’t know the technicalities) make sense to save different TruePlay profiles for TV and Music (or some way of limiting the scope).

Thank you - I've marked this thread as a feature request and it will be seen by the relevant teams for consideration. Keep the ideas coming!

 

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

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Corry P
Corry PAnswer
Sonos Staff
September 5, 2024

Hi @earson 

Welcome to the Sonos Community!

I think it could (not would - I don’t know the technicalities) make sense to save different TruePlay profiles for TV and Music (or some way of limiting the scope).

Thank you - I've marked this thread as a feature request and it will be seen by the relevant teams for consideration. Keep the ideas coming!

 

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
Schlumpf
Virtuoso
September 5, 2024

I read all of the posts here and I‘m not sure if I missed something… but as far as I know a trueplay setup also includes recognizing the distance between front and rear speakers to adjust multichannel signal ouput. 
And if that hasn’t changed there also are two rouns of trueplay for ht setups… one for tv mode with fixed hearing position and one for music by walking arround the room. 
But imo the front - rear distance primarily has (or had) effect on tv mode because in the past music mode always was stereo and so I would have expected that the front - rear distance won’t affect or won’t be part of the music mode trueplay setup at all.

Ok, but now there’s atmos music in the house and maybe because of that reason the distance now also affects music mode. Just my suspicion… but if so, I would expect trueplay to use it just for atmos music signals. 
 

Just my part of some brainstorming… 😉

Ralf
Corry P
Sonos Staff
September 5, 2024

Hi @Schlumpf 

You may find this interesting: https://tech-blog.sonos.com/posts/trueplay-spectral-correction/

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein
melvimbe
September 5, 2024

This sounds more like the issue isn’t so much trueplay tuning as it is that OP has multiple listening areas in the room.  Trueplay is set where the listener is in the couch, which is often ideal.  However,  when listening to music in the kitchen, you are no longer in the ideal listening position and the trueplay tuning actually makes the audio worse. So it wouldn’t actually be separate tuning for TV and music, but tuning for multiple listening areas in the room?

Although I don’t recall it ever bothering me, my kitchen and living room are laid out pretty similar to OPs and I use to have my surrounds also located in the kitchen, about 10 feet behind the couch.  I later switched it so that I had surrounds right behind the couch and a separate pair of speakers for the kitchen.  I liked this much better, as I could just group kitchen and living room together for music to get the best sound in both rooms.  I’ve actually removed kitchen speakers entirely now though, as I prefer just to have a front stage of audio from the living room, for the entire space.

Danny
earsonAuthor
Contributor I
September 5, 2024

So it wouldn’t actually be separate tuning for TV and music, but tuning for multiple listening areas in the room?

I think it’s more than that.  While some people like yourself enjoy a front stage music experience, others like myself enjoy an immersive music experiment - not only because of my location can be in different areas in a large room, but there’s other people there as well.  If I wanted perfect personal audio and mobility I could wear headphones.  The experience here is for not just one person to enjoy Music, but others as well, and not be planted to the sofa.  

I think Sonos recognizes the duel nature of surrounds given Surround settings include different levels for Music vs TV, and Music Playback as Full vs Ambient.  This provides one with good customization.  It’s just that TruePlay currently does’t play in that customization (it’s all or nothing).  I could see that TruePlay only makes sense if you are planted in one spot, but given the other settings you'd think there would at least be a way to have TruePlay enabled only with TV / turned off with Music.

Re: your suggestion as well as the answer from @Corry P:  I could also find multiple TruePlay profiles just as useful, if I could associated a profile with Music and one with TV - presuming I’m able to tune the Music profile to be less sensitive to location.

I think we can all agree TV audio can be optimized for one general location in a room - the sofa.  Having a great surround sound experience during movies on the sofa is better than one this just ok everywhere.  But I don’t think assuming Music should always be optimized for one location is correct, nor should it be at a cost to a better audio experience watching TV (namely turning off TruePlay).  Hence why I’m having to fiddle toggling between the two, and why I think this can be improved.

earsonAuthor
Contributor I
September 5, 2024

As a side note… I do like the concept of different TruePlay profiles for types of audio, but that gets into a slippery slope of customizations very quickly (e.g., Game vs Movie, Music Genre, etc..).  Maybe Sonos AI can solve this for us in the future by automatically adjusting EQ for us :)