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Contributor I
August 31, 2024
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TruePlay for TV only

So I have home theater set up in an open floor plan, meaning Beam gen 2 with the TV, sofa closer to the TV (not middle of the room), and era 100s far behind in the kitchen.  Surround settings work great for TV and Music:  I can bump up TV level to reach the sofa, and more even level with Music as I’m more mobile and/or in the kitchen which leaves the sound more immersive everywhere with a sweet spot closer to mid room (and Music playback set to Full).  The problem is TruePlay sounds great for TV (rightly so as it is tuned for when I’m on the couch), but not for Music: most notable there’s a delay between the TV and surrounds, makes the music sound live instead of crisp.  This is explainable since it’s optimized again for one is sitting where tuned.  But it leaves me toggling TruePlay on and off depending if I’m watching TV on the sofa vs listening to Music (especially not on the sofa).  So, my question is there are way around this?  Otherwise, my ask is it would be really useful to have TruePlay have a dropdown to TV/Music/Both rather than On/Off, that would totally solve this.  For me, I would have it set to TV only.  

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Corry P
Corry PAnswer
Sonos Staff
September 5, 2024

Hi @earson 

Welcome to the Sonos Community!

I think it could (not would - I don’t know the technicalities) make sense to save different TruePlay profiles for TV and Music (or some way of limiting the scope).

Thank you - I've marked this thread as a feature request and it will be seen by the relevant teams for consideration. Keep the ideas coming!

 

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." - Albert Einstein

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Lead Maestro
August 31, 2024

“but not for Music: most notable there’s a delay between the TV and surrounds, makes the music sound live instead of crisp.”

 

How exactly are you streaming music to the Beam setup? Is it through an app on the TV or a connected TV streaming device?

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earsonAuthor
Contributor I
August 31, 2024

Music source is always Apple Music via AirPlay (iOS).  But keep in mind the delay is only there with TruePlay on, so doesn’t seem like it’s related to the streaming source unless I’m missing something.  There's other audible differences with TruePlay on, seemingly EQ related (more bass etc).  I’ve not dug into more but I imagine the delay is likely there  purposefully (for both TV/Music), likely the front (bream) firing later than the back (surrounds) to compensate for the back being so much further to reach the sofa as the tuned sweet spot, but I’m guessing here.  

Lead Maestro
August 31, 2024

If you are using AirPlay to stream Apple Music from your iPhone to the Beam and the Music Playback setting in the Sonos app is set to Full, there should be zero delay from the surround speakers with or without Trueplay enabled.

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earsonAuthor
Contributor I
August 31, 2024

My understanding was that Surround Distance settings are effectively the delay/timing.  And that if you do tune via TruePlay it affects that as well as EQ, but you can further tweak both, so I’m no surprised that the delay/timing is affected.  But that would be counter to what you’re saying.  Why wouldn’t Trueplay affect timing/delay of the front & surround given it would optimize based on the mic location of my iPhone where it was tuned in the room in the initial position when calibrating?

 

As a point of reference both Left and Right are set to More than 10 feet (3m) in my settings for the Surround Distance.

earsonAuthor
Contributor I
August 31, 2024

This Sonos Staff answer does say TruePlay affects timing (just not balance).  So again, not surprised that it does, just looking for a way to only do that for TV.  

Lead Maestro
August 31, 2024

The Surround Distance setting only affects the volume of the surround speakers, not the delay/timing.

From the Sonos website regarding Surround Distance:

Use this to tell Sonos how far away your surround speakers are from your main listening position. Changing the surround distance will adjust the overall volume of TV and Music playback on the surround speakers.

 

How large is your room? What is the distance between the Beam and the surround speakers?

"Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you." - Rashi
Senior Virtuoso
August 31, 2024

My understanding was that Surround Distance settings are effectively the delay/timing.  And that if you do tune via TruePlay it affects that as well as EQ, but you can further tweak both, so I’m no surprised that the delay/timing is affected.  But that would be counter to what you’re saying.  Why wouldn’t Trueplay affect timing/delay of the front & surround given it would optimize based on the mic location of my iPhone where it was tuned in the room in the initial position when calibrating?

 

As a point of reference both Left and Right are set to More than 10 feet (3m) in my settings for the Surround Distance.

You will have a delay in sound to the rear speakers if you’ve got them set as another room, and grouped them to the room with the Beam. I just say this for clarification, to be sure you have them set as surrounds?
Surround distance, AIUI, is how far (wide) to the left and right surround speakers are located from the listening position. And you can only set these if Trueplay is disabled. 
 

Lead Maestro
August 31, 2024

Surround distance, AIUI, is how far (wide) to the left and right surround speakers are located from the listening position. And you can only set these if Trueplay is disabled. 

With the new app, you can actually adjust these settings WITH Trueplay enabled now.

"Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you." - Rashi
Senior Virtuoso
August 31, 2024

Surround distance, AIUI, is how far (wide) to the left and right surround speakers are located from the listening position. And you can only set these if Trueplay is disabled. 

With the new app, you can actually adjust these settings WITH Trueplay enabled now.

Oops! I wonder what else I’ve not discovered and I’m missing out on! 

earsonAuthor
Contributor I
August 31, 2024

The Surround Distance setting only affects the volume of the surround speakers, not the delay/timing.

Good catch - my bad assumption there.  Looks like Surround Distance AND Music Level and TV Level only affect volume.  Nonetheless, from staff answer seems like TruePlay does affect timing.  That would actually make more sense then that the delay is there for TruePlay.

 

How large is your room? What is the distance between the Beam and the surround speakers?

Roughly 25’x35’?  So > 35ft between the Beam and surrounds.  

 

You will have a delay in sound to the rear speakers if you’ve got them set as another room, and grouped them to the room with the Beam. I just say this for clarification, to be sure you have them set as surrounds?

No other room involved, Beam, Era 100s and Sub mini all bonded to 1 room, and yes the Era 100s are set as surrounds.