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I want to buy a Sonos Arc for my TV and a sub (maybe rear speakers, undecided) to create a home theater situation… also want to put a record player in the same room, would like to share that sub with it somehow and play through Sonos speakers in stereo. Originally I was thinking about getting 2 Fives to hook to the record player (in stereo) but if i link to the arc system to use the sub I’m afraid there might be issues like delay? Furthermore, I would like to install Fives in my garage and be able to play music from either the turn table or TV setup through them. How do I go about all this?

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A Sub can only be bonded to one speaker/speaker pair at a time so I you have it bonded to the Arc it’s a tedious process of unbonding from the Arc and bonding to the paired Fives, and then the same in reverse to use it again in the home theatre setup. But with two Subs you’re set…

The Fives have a line-in so a turntable with preamp can easily be connected to your system.

The only “delay” you might experience is if you group a tv input to your Arc with other rooms. Those other rooms will have a 70msec delay, but if you can’t see the tv from those rooms you won’t know of the delay.

Sonos speakers have a capability called grouping. Any rooms can be grouped to play a source in sync across all of those rooms (unless it’s audio from the tv, as described above).

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buzz

Grand Maestro

SONOS uses the 75ms Line-In latency to allow some time to work around minor network stalls without interrupting the music. Unfortunately, 75ms is too long for TV audio because voice sync would be annoyingly poor for most viewers. For surround speakers, since they are in the same area as the TV and soundbar and are connected via a private wireless link, the latency is reduced to 30ms. This presents a dilemma when Grouping additional Rooms with the TV audio.

Airgetlam

I’ve already stated my recommendation for surrounds, and use of the Fives.

The analog line in is the same on the Sonos Five and the Port, except for form factor. If my turntable wasn’t right next to where the Fives are, I’d use a Port. If they are right next to each other, I’d use the Five’s line in.

Bruce

buzz

Grand Maestro

Personally, if I have the space, I prefer FIVE’s or ERA 300’s for surround because of their more robust bass response, but this is less noticeable if there is a SUB in the surround system.

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Dan06lemAuthor

Gotcha so the port is really only a location thing…

Sort of stick with my original ideas…

Room TV - ARC, and Sub (maybe add Era 100s or Sonos Era 300s)

Room Record Player - 2 Fives

Group together to get use of everything for music even though in same room… but cannot do while watching TV because of delay?

(all in same room)

Room Garage - more Fives

Can group that in through WiFi too for any purpose.

buzz

Grand Maestro

When used as surrounds, the FIVE’s will be absorbed into the surround “Room”, will not be visible separately in the controller, and their Line-In will be disabled.

PORT is a great solution. All Rooms Grouped with PORT’s Line-In will be time aligned.

So you wouldn’t use the Fives in the surround system? “Absorbed” sounds negative.

However, you would use the Sonos Port with the record player? Then just connect the Fives through WiFi?

And my “grouping” the “rooms” with the port, the fives wouldn’t be absorbed?

I guess this was a bad choice of words. I didn’t intend anything negative. I meant that the FIVE’s would no longer be visible in the controller as a separate Room because they have become components in the surround Room.

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Dan06lemAuthor

When used as surrounds, the FIVE’s will be absorbed into the surround “Room”, will not be visible separately in the controller, and their Line-In will be disabled.

PORT is a great solution. All Rooms Grouped with PORT’s Line-In will be time aligned.

So you wouldn’t use the Fives in the surround system? “Absorbed” sounds negative.

However, you would use the Sonos Port with the record player? Then just connect the Fives through WiFi?

And my “grouping” the “rooms” with the port, the fives wouldn’t be absorbed?

I guess this was a bad choice of words. I didn’t intend anything negative. I meant that the FIVE’s would no longer be visible in the controller as a separate Room because they have become components in the surround Room.

Sounds like it might be best to put everything in the “TV Room” and join the “Group” with the record player using the “Port” so then the “TV room” has surround speakers without having to buy extra.. just how I’m interpreting that then

buzz

Grand Maestro

Voice sync is a mess. TV’s, TV stations, and TV networks are very sloppy with their voice sync. Voice sync can change from channel to channel and program to program. The movie industry had this all worked out by the early 1940’s. I find that voice sync is better on movie channels than most other channels.

In some cases, once you’ve worked through sync issues inherent in the TV, the 75ms Line-In latency becomes insignificant.

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Dan06lemAuthor

You loose nothing using the “Sonos Port” vs using an analog line in right? That’s how I understand it. Function is the same.

buzz

Grand Maestro

When you want to listen to the turntable, you select its Line-In as the Room’s source (regardless of where the turntable is attached to the system). If you want to listen to the turntable in multiple Rooms, then Group the Rooms. Line-In and Line-Out are simply resources on the network. There is no implied connection between PORT’s Line-In and Line-Out. You could play the turntable in Grouped Rooms while sending a music service to a 3rd party amplifier through PORT’s Line-Out.

buzz

Grand Maestro

“Line-In” is essentially the same, on all boxes.

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