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Contributor I
July 25, 2022

S2 Update 14.12 Sub Issues

Hello,

With the recent 14.12 S2 Update there is a bug in the sub settings when using Trueplay, and I've pinpointed the problem.  I wanted to pass along this information to the company to ensure that the specifics of the issue are known.

It’s likely that most people may not notice this, or bother asking Sonos about it, but this is a real difference between 14.12 and the previous versions.

  • My current setup has an Arc, Sub(Gen1), and 2 Play1's.  
    • Using a white noise generator to review these differences.  
    • I'm controlling the sub settings on my iPad Pro while recording on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.  
    • I've run Trueplay twice since the update, and get the same results both times.  
      • Both Trueplay runs were with my iPhone as my iPad Pro does not have support yet.
  • Once updated to 14.12, you are prompted to re-run Trueplay.  But Trueplay has a bug in this new update.
  • I tested the frequencies with Trueplay On and then Off without changing the volume on the App.  
    • The only setting modified is the "Sub Audio" setting that ranges from -15 to +15
  • These differences are absolutely unique to the 14.12 update
    • I did not take pics, but have done similar tests before and the sub settings always increase/decrease all of the frequencies below the crossover
    • In previous versions, 40hz was always the highest db of any frequency when bossting the sub volume.

Trueplay On with Bass and Treble set to 0:  

  • Sub = 0: 
    • There is about a 4-5db reduction in the 30-60hz range and a boost in the 60-80hz range compared to Trueplay off
    •  

  • Sub = +15: 
    • Here is where you see the issue.  Sub 50hz doesn't change much at all even boosting the sub setting to the max  
    • There is a huge boost in the 60-80hz range where it is now the dominate frequency range of the sub
    •  

Trueplay Off with Bass, and Treble set to 0:  

  • Sub = 0
    • You can already see a difference in that the <50hz frequencies are higher and it's a pretty flat wave.

    •  
  • Sub = +15
    • Notice that now the dominate frequency range is the 35-50hz.  
    • The 60-80hz is still boosted, but it does not ever overtake the lower frequencies
    •  

  • Lastly, here is a grouped view showing these pictures side by side so you can really see the difference.
    • It also includes going -15 on the sub
    •  

  • Could it be a High Pass Filter setting that is getting triggered when you run TruePlay?
  • If you do not like the way your system sounds after 14.12, turn off Trueplay.
    • It will not be as good as what you are used to as Trueplay will adjust more to your room and leave less peaks/valleys throughout the spectrum.
    • But it will still be more like what you are used to hearing.

I can provide more information if needed, but hopefully this helps pinpoint the issue for everyone.  

 

Thank you for your time,

Robert

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84 replies

Trending Lyricist I
August 2, 2022

For me, disabling TruePlay didn’t seem to make much difference. Still very little bass and a tinny sound. Increasing the bass EQ to max made some difference, but still lacked depth.

I have read the Sonos community manager post about the update and I have commented in more depth there.

It seems to me either Sonos have not fully understood the scope of the issues, or have chosen to not fully acknowledge them for marketing reasons. In my opinion neither would reflect well on Sonos.

Lyricist III
August 2, 2022

I have the same issue since the 14.12 update, I have (2) Gen3 subs, a Sonos ARC and (2) Sonos ones SL.  Once I disabled the trueplay the bass was back to how it originally was.  I did not realize how bad it was until I was watching Godzilla vs Kong and then disabled the trueplay.  It’s night and day difference, I hope Sonos fixes this soon.  At this price point they should have better test and QA.  

Sonos put out a post on the issues today…might maybe read it.

Dogdad,

 

Featuring two posts up from mine the problem was listed, the issue has NOTHING to do with reading.. it has to do with making sure Sonos knows how many people are having the issue and the system configuration that maybe impacted.  Maybe before making comments with no value, you should think about the bigger picture.  

Avid Contributor I
August 7, 2022

I also noticed that something is wrong with the sound after 14.12

I put the volume way higher than before and I still don’t get the same results that I used to.

I did not read this thread until I have created a new one… Yes, I totally agreed the Ver update 14.12 is totally not worth,, just regret else I hope to return back to previous version if possible.

 

Next time, I would consider to hold for a while before updating. 

Lyricist I
August 13, 2022

Unfortunately the update completely destroyed sub performance. There is literally ZERO rumble, no sub bass. I have increased sub level to +5, and bass to +2 and am only getting an annoying increase in mid bass volume. Retuning trueplay or toggling it on/off yields no difference either.

Lyricist III
August 24, 2022

 

Has anyone tested out the 14.14 release to see if it fixes the Sub issue?  I just updated (by accident) and have not tried enabling Trueplay yet to see if the Bass issue comes back.  Thanks for any updates as I am not home to test.

 

Dogdad
Headliner III
August 27, 2022

 

Has anyone tested out the 14.14 release to see if it fixes the Sub issue?  I just updated (by accident) and have not tried enabling Trueplay yet to see if the Bass issue comes back.  Thanks for any updates as I am not home to test.

 

14.14 was for other things.. not the issues of 14.12. They’re still working on it. 

Freelancer
Lyricist II
September 29, 2022

Why doesn’t Sonos roll back the bug-plagued update to the last version prior to the TruePlay sub/Arc bug? Is there a logical reason for not doing so? Anything is better than this sound. It’s been months. Did they fire the one guy who knew how their TruePlay code works? 
 

It’s examples like this that make me roll my eyes when people compare Sonos to Apple. This is just poor form. Expected better.

Airgetlam
September 29, 2022

Probably due to all the other things that were included in the various software releases since then. 

Bruce
Trending Lyricist I
October 18, 2022

If there is no fix this Thursday then there will be a lot of crazy mad people , even Peter pee said he will make a new video about it if they won't fix by then.

I dont think they understand how big of a mess they made with that horrible 14.12 ... Audio company that don't care about its audio reproduction... should revert everything back to 14.10 asap but they never did , obviously midget mini sub to be blamed by that ..  

Lyricist III
October 19, 2022

There is still a pretty big difference when you disable trueplay vs keeping it enabled after the 14.18 update.  I don’t think the update did anything to address the 14.12 bass issue.