Like the topic title says, Just putting it out there. Hope option for Front speakers happen soon.
New CEO really seems to finally care about customers wishes and wants. Hopefully this is one first things that comes out very soon.
After this happens, love see DTS;X finally arrive.
Thus the reason for my caveat regarding when their testing took place. I’ve been running the following setup via SonoSequencr for a bit now, and it’s working perfectly: Arc, Symfonisks for fronts, two Sub Minis, Era 100s for rears. Granted, I have FiOS 2GB w/Wi-Fi 6e, but I also have like 30+ devices connected, wirelessly. I’m doing it now, so it can be done, now. Anyways, thanks for the spirited discussion and Happy Holidays!
There’s a bunch of anecdotal evidence of it working. Unless we were in on the discussions held during the beta, we don’t know how those anecdotes relate to the aggregate. We also don’t know how Sonos evaluates the effects of an unreliable implementation on brand image, support costs, etc.
Anyway, Happy Holidays to you too.
So when I said I’ve worked in software development for 30+ years, it’s as a software test engineer, so a) we are mortal enemies and b) nothing I say can be anecdotal ;) I am the truth and the light! And I know you’ll get a chuckle out of this one way or the other LOL
My guess is their testing was quite a while ago and home wireless network bandwidth/speed is much improved, since. I’ve been running the front L/R setup via SonoSequencr with Arc, two Sub Minis and rears on a wireless network with about 30 other connected devices and it works great!
So are they going to require everyone who wishes to add fronts to own the most up to date wireless network? I guess that works . . . sort of . . . for some.
Depends on how old their testing is. If it’s years old, most people probably already have better Wi-Fi that will handle more devices. That said, Sonos has always required decent Wi-Fi, so it would be nothing new.
I think you’re assuming that the problem just goes away with a better router. The soundbar/sub/surround speakers don’t communicate through your router currently, so it would not necessarily be a factor. I would think the bigger issue is what other wireless products you have in the home that can cause interference, such as other wireless products you have connected to your TV. There is also potential interference from neighbor networks. Such issues are less noticeable for streaming video due to buffer size, but you can’t use large buffers when you are streaming audio in near real time.
I get that it works fine for your setup, but it has to be more reliable everywhere. I doubt that their tests are that old. They are aware of what customers are doing with their setups, and they can quickly replicate that in their own environments. Also noted that you have not tuned your setup.
My guess is their testing was quite a while ago and home wireless network bandwidth/speed is much improved, since. I’ve been running the front L/R setup via SonoSequencr with Arc, two Sub Minis and rears on a wireless network with about 30 other connected devices and it works great!
So are they going to require everyone who wishes to add fronts to own the most up to date wireless network? I guess that works . . . sort of . . . for some.
Depends on how old their testing is. If it’s years old, most people probably already have better Wi-Fi that will handle more devices. That said, Sonos has always required decent Wi-Fi, so it would be nothing new.
I think you’re assuming that the problem just goes away with a better router. The soundbar/sub/surround speakers don’t communicate through your router currently, so it would not necessarily be a factor. I would think the bigger issue is what other wireless products you have in the home that can cause interference, such as other wireless products you have connected to your TV. There is also potential interference from neighbor networks. Such issues are less noticeable for streaming video due to buffer size, but you can’t use large buffers when you are streaming audio in near real time.
I get that it works fine for your setup, but it has to be more reliable everywhere. I doubt that their tests are that old. They are aware of what customers are doing with their setups, and they can quickly replicate that in their own environments. Also noted that you have not tuned your setup.
According to quick research (https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/choose-between-a-wireless-and-wired-sonos-setup), most devices today do indeed have to be connected to your router, whether wired or via Wi-Fi.
And oh boy have I tuned my setup. In fact, I have numerous shortcuts set up via Soro for TV, movies, music and sports, made all the more difficult given Sonos won’t give us control of the center-channel. I have all the tunings!
Hmm….JFYI...Found this on the web regarding Sonos home theater and Sonosequencr:
Risks and Considerations
“Because it uses unofficial configurations, users have reported that some experimental setups (like extra front speakers) can cause speakers to temporarily "disappear" from the official Sonos app or may require a factory reset if the setup fails. It is not an official Sonos product”.
According to quick research (https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/choose-between-a-wireless-and-wired-sonos-setup), most devices today do indeed have to be connected to your router, whether wired or via Wi-Fi.
And oh boy have I tuned my setup. In fact, I have numerous shortcuts set up via Soro for TV, movies, music and sports, made all the more difficult given Sonos won’t give us control of the center-channel. I have all the tunings!
Not exactly true. Although the router must hand out an IP address to all Sonos devices, in order to sync them with video, the connection(s) between soundbars/Amp and the subs/surrounds are a dedicated, one-way, 5GHz direct connection from the soundbar/Amp to the subs/surrounds that does not go through the router. The front L/R speakers would also need to use this type of connection.
Hmm….JFYI...Found this on the web regarding Sonos home theater and Sonosequencr:
Risks and Considerations
“Because it uses unofficial configurations, users have reported that some experimental setups (like extra front speakers) can cause speakers to temporarily "disappear" from the official Sonos app or may require a factory reset if the setup fails. It is not an official Sonos product”.
All good points! It WAS an absolute PITA setting it up through SonoSequencr...until I found a post about the order in which to add things, at which point it became fairly simple and straightforward. And my speakers do appear oddly in the Sonos app. The app tells me my Arc grouping needs attention, and when I go into the grouping, it lists all speakers twice: once as disconnected and once as it should appear. And TruePlay does not work, which is actually fine for me as it never worked well for my room, anyways. If/when Sonos offers this functionality, and whereas they are already aware of these issues with their API, it can be assumed (I know I know) they will have addressed those.
According to quick research (https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/choose-between-a-wireless-and-wired-sonos-setup), most devices today do indeed have to be connected to your router, whether wired or via Wi-Fi.
And oh boy have I tuned my setup. In fact, I have numerous shortcuts set up via Soro for TV, movies, music and sports, made all the more difficult given Sonos won’t give us control of the center-channel. I have all the tunings!
Not exactly true. Although the router must hand out an IP address to all Sonos devices, in order to sync them with video, the connection(s) between soundbars/Amp and the subs/surrounds are a dedicated, one-way, 5GHz direct connection from the soundbar/Amp to the subs/surrounds that does not go through through the router. The front L/R speakers would also need to use this type of connection.
Sounds like that only applies to SonosNet, when one device is connected to your router via Ethernet, thus creating a private 5G mesh network for the rest of the devices to connect via. I was unaware of that, so glad we had this conversation! While my Wi-Fi network is not currently stressed, never a bad idea to get traffic off of it when possible.
According to quick research (https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/choose-between-a-wireless-and-wired-sonos-setup), most devices today do indeed have to be connected to your router, whether wired or via Wi-Fi.
And oh boy have I tuned my setup. In fact, I have numerous shortcuts set up via Soro for TV, movies, music and sports, made all the more difficult given Sonos won’t give us control of the center-channel. I have all the tunings!
Not exactly true. Although the router must hand out an IP address to all Sonos devices, in order to sync them with video, the connection(s) between soundbars/Amp and the subs/surrounds are a dedicated, one-way, 5GHz direct connection from the soundbar/Amp to the subs/surrounds that does not go through through the router. The front L/R speakers would also need to use this type of connection.
Sounds like that only applies to SonosNet, when one device is connected to your router via Ethernet, thus creating a private 5G mesh network for the rest of the devices to connect via. I was unaware of that, so glad we had this conversation! While my Wi-Fi network is not currently stressed, never a bad idea to get traffic off of it when possible.
No. Sonosnet was about connecting speakers from different rooms together, and it is not an available option on all of Sonos recently released speakers. Sononet is not used for bonding speakers together for a home theatre setup, or for a stereo pair. Put another way, when your Arc sends out at audio signals to your sub and rear speakers (also front speakers in your case), the signal does not pass through your router.
And oh boy have I tuned my setup. In fact, I have numerous shortcuts set up via Soro for TV, movies, music and sports, made all the more difficult given Sonos won’t give us control of the center-channel. I have all the tunings!
i was referring to Trueplay tuning, not whatever settings your talking about.
According to quick research (https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/choose-between-a-wireless-and-wired-sonos-setup), most devices today do indeed have to be connected to your router, whether wired or via Wi-Fi.
And oh boy have I tuned my setup. In fact, I have numerous shortcuts set up via Soro for TV, movies, music and sports, made all the more difficult given Sonos won’t give us control of the center-channel. I have all the tunings!
Not exactly true. Although the router must hand out an IP address to all Sonos devices, in order to sync them with video, the connection(s) between soundbars/Amp and the subs/surrounds are a dedicated, one-way, 5GHz direct connection from the soundbar/Amp to the subs/surrounds that does not go through through the router. The front L/R speakers would also need to use this type of connection.
Sounds like that only applies to SonosNet, when one device is connected to your router via Ethernet, thus creating a private 5G mesh network for the rest of the devices to connect via. I was unaware of that, so glad we had this conversation! While my Wi-Fi network is not currently stressed, never a bad idea to get traffic off of it when possible.
No. Sonosnet was about connecting speakers from different rooms together, and it is not an available option on all of Sonos recently released speakers. Sononet is not used for bonding speakers together for a home theatre setup, or for a stereo pair. Put another way, when your Arc sends out at audio signals to your sub and rear speakers (also front speakers in your case), the signal does not pass through your router.
And oh boy have I tuned my setup. In fact, I have numerous shortcuts set up via Soro for TV, movies, music and sports, made all the more difficult given Sonos won’t give us control of the center-channel. I have all the tunings!
i was referring to Trueplay tuning, not whatever settings your talking about.
So if the signals aren’t going through your router, and aren’t going out via SonosNet, how exactly are they getting from the Arc to other speakers?
As for “whatever settings” I’m talking about, I’m talking about tuning via the Sonos App, which I then save as iPhone shortcuts via Soro. That, however, is irrelevant; the Soro app, like SonoSequencr, merely exposes the Sonos API
OK….everyone. Let’s not turn this into a one-sided debate with
All said until Sonos decides that the configuration suggested in this thread is feasible or even good business sense all discussion is IMO an exercise in futility.
So Happy Holidays everyone and enjoy your Sonos!
So if the signals aren’t going through your router, and aren’t going out via SonosNet, how exactly are they getting from the Arc to other speakers?
In “Station Mode” (WiFi)? By taking advantage of a SonosNet feature called “Direct Routing”. 🤓
OK….everyone. Let’s not turn this into a one-sided debate with
All said until Sonos decides that the configuration suggested in this thread is feasible or even good business sense all discussion is IMO an exercise in futility.
So Happy Holidays everyone and enjoy your Sonos!
I think everyone has done a fine job not straying into ad hominins. I’m fine if the conversation appears a “one-sided debate” with me. The point of a forum is to engage in dialogue and we don’t all have to agree, merely disagree respectfully. I, for one, have gratitude for this thread as I have learned much more than I knew before, and it would seem there may be more to learn, still. I appreciate your attempt at moderation, but I think the conversation’s been just fine.
Sounds like that only applies to SonosNet, when one device is connected to your router via Ethernet, thus creating a private 5G mesh network for the rest of the devices to connect via. I was unaware of that, so glad we had this conversation! While my Wi-Fi network is not currently stressed, never a bad idea to get traffic off of it when possible.
Nope. The connection between a soundbar/Amp and a sub/surrounds is a direct private connection created between the transmitting device (soundbar/Amp) and the receiving devices (sub/surrounds). There’s no mesh involved, and the connection exists regardless if you are using Sonosnet.
This connection is required because even if you connect the subs/surrounds via Ethernet, passing through the router still creates too many hops to keep up with the video, and stuttering occurs. It is only via the direct route private 5 GHz connection can the low latency required for video sync be reliably sustained.
Even with this connection, the buffer used is on the razor’s edge of being detectable by those sensitive to lip sync errors, which makes adding the bandwidth for two full channel front speakers to the already strained connection that much more difficult.
Sounds like that only applies to SonosNet, when one device is connected to your router via Ethernet, thus creating a private 5G mesh network for the rest of the devices to connect via. I was unaware of that, so glad we had this conversation! While my Wi-Fi network is not currently stressed, never a bad idea to get traffic off of it when possible.
Nope. The connection between a soundbar/Amp and a sub/surrounds is a direct private connection created between the transmitting device (soundbar/Amp) and the receiving devices (sub/surrounds). There’s no mesh involved, and the connection exists regardless if you are using Sonosnet.
This connection is required because even if you connect the subs/surrounds via Ethernet, passing through the router still creates too many hops to keep up with the video, and stuttering occurs. It is only via the direct route private 5 GHz connection can the low latency required for video sync be reliably sustained.
Even with this connection, the buffer used is on the razor’s edge of being detectable by those sensitive to lip sync errors, which makes adding the bandwidth for two full channel front speakers to the already strained connection that much more difficult.
Thank you! That helped me configure a good query to AI that got me additional clarification on that. I have to admit, though, I’m a little disappointed you didn’t take an opportunity to make a “tester” joke ;)
Thank you! That helped me configure a good query to AI that got me additional clarification on that. I have to admit, though, I’m a little disappointed you didn’t take an opportunity to make a “tester” joke ;)
Never bought into the adversarial relationship between development and testing, not on my side at least. I had a tyrant of a boss who tried to foster that type of relationship, but he never really succeeded because he was the product of the Peter Principle and we mostly ignored him.
By the way, it’s come a long way, but AI when it comes to Sonos is still more wrong than right. It only has existing info to scrub and most of that existing info is garbage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sonos/s/qxKQwRdwab
https://www.reddit.com/r/sonos/s/V0maAuVLSl
Despite our best attempts ;)
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