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Contributor I
May 8, 2020
Answered

Surround sound and Line in via Sonos Amp

Hi, I have a Beam connected to my tv, a Sonos amp, 2 passive Speakers and a turntable connected to the amp. I want to use this setup as a 4.0 surround sound system for my tv and I want to use all speakers to play music from my turntable. I can configure the system to play 4.0 surround sound but than the line in disappears in the app. And I can unpair the surround speakers, create a separated room for the amp with the passive speakers and group it with the beam to play the turntables on all speakers. So I’m basically able to do all what I want to do but not without reconfiguring the hole system every time. Please help ;)

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Prodigy I
May 8, 2020

Unfortunately, surround + line in can’t be done with your components without unbonding. If Amp is used as surround line in is disabled, because Beam acts as ‘master’ that distributes all sounds in the group. As a side note, when you use Beam as fronts, it is technically 5.0, not 4.0. 

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Prodigy I
May 8, 2020

Unfortunately, surround + line in can’t be done with your components without unbonding. If Amp is used as surround line in is disabled, because Beam acts as ‘master’ that distributes all sounds in the group. As a side note, when you use Beam as fronts, it is technically 5.0, not 4.0. 

Contributor I
June 23, 2020

Is there any plans on supporting this configuration(without having to go through the proccess manualy)?

I`d like to use my speakers connected to my Amp as surround speakers when watching TV. But at the same time be able to use my record player connected to the same Amp.

jgatie
June 23, 2020

Is there any plans on supporting this configuration(without having to go through the proccess manualy)?

I`d like to use my speakers connected to my Amp as surround speakers when watching TV. But at the same time be able to use my record player connected to the same Amp.

 

I highly doubt it.  Bonding as surrounds puts the Amp into a receive only condition, like a Sub.  I’m pretty sure it it were possible to modify this condition, Sonos (or some third party app like Sonosequencr) would have done it.  

Contributor I
June 23, 2020

Thanks!
yeah, if it was possible they`d probably done it by now :(

Lyricist I
July 5, 2020

Hello all! 

Backstory so you know where I'm at, and  question after!

 

So I thought I had the master plan, I landed on the arc, and an amp.

I thought I would be able to have the amp power a set of towers for surround to my arc as well as be available for a stereo set with my record player that is also set up on the amp AND it power a third party sub.

Thought the research and trials  I found that once the amp is set to surround, it automatically shuts off the line in as well as the sub, BUMMER but I understand. 

 

So I now have an amp that is capable of two scenarios. And I have to unconnect and reset up everytime i want to switch back and forth from the amp powering rear surrounds and it being its own 2.1 stereo. Is there any software workarounds to make the switching easier?

 

Also I cannot use a third party sub connected via amp for the arc. 

 

So i guess my question is what does the community recommend me do to have a smoother situation here?

 

  1. no brainer to just get sonos sub  ?  {anyone looking for a supercube4000??}
  2. get a port for my record player so it allows my amp to just power the rears? 
    1. that would allow me to just use the record player as a media source and stream it to any room i want. right? 
    2. could i use a older, used connect to accomplish the same thing 
      1. Whats the main difference? 

notes 

  1. i know its a little over kill for tower rears but they are great speakers i had from my old set up, and sound better than two 1s. I could potentially put back there.
    1. i think with the port set up my record player would stream to “ living room” and the nice towers would be just rears, but switching to full music playback would be sufficient and the sonos sub would be connected as well. right? 
  2. I have thrown around getting rid of the towers and the amp and put in two 5s 
    1. I could then use the 5s as a record player input 
      1. but would i run into the same problem of having to disconnect the 5s as surrounds and re set them up to do vinyl? 

 

Ps i think all of this sonos stuff is great and the community is even better.

 

Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts and or comments, apologies if this has been discussed before. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lyricist I
July 6, 2020

I just invested in an Arc, an Amp, and the in-ceiling speakers.  I ran wire and cut holes in my ceiling (in the Texas heat) to get this setup.   I tested the line-in before installing the speakers.  Only after pairing the speakers as surrounds did I learn that the Amp turns into a dump piece of crap when paired with the Arc.

So no I cannot play my record player (which was the primary motivator for getting the Amp and speakers).  So I have to chose between surround sound and being able to play my record player.  Had the installation instructions said something, I would have placed the speakers differently and set them up in stereo mode.  

Sonos should:

  1. Enable audio-in on Amp in surround mode, or
  2. Enable audio-in on Amp when surround sound is not playing.  I.e., play a movie or play a record even if both cannot happen simultaneously.

Even if Option #1 is impossible (I doubt this), Option #2 merely requires two profiles (one for surround and a second for line-in mode) and no additional processing capability.

 

 

Moderator edit: Removed Profanity

jgatie
July 6, 2020

Surround sound guidelines and limitations

 

Limitations

The following features will be disabled on Sonos products used as surround speakers:

  • AirPlay
  • Line-In
  • Subwoofer output

The microphones will be disabled on voice-enabled products used as surround speakers with a Sonos Beam.

Lyricist I
July 8, 2020

Would a solution be to remove the line in from the amp and get a either a port or an older connect amp possibly, used to feed the record player into the system? 

 

That way the amp can be used to power the surrounds and then you could use the whole system to play the line in via the connect/port? 

 

Also would there be a noticeable difference between the two?

Airgetlam
July 9, 2020

A separate Sonos Amp, or Port, or PLAY:5, or CONNECT, or CONNECT:AMP,  all of which have an active line in, as long as they’re not being used as/powering surround speakers,  would provide an excellent way to get the phono input into the Sonos ecosystem. All would be the same quality.

Bruce
Lyricist III
August 25, 2020

I'm in the same boat... we purchased the amp to kill two birds with one stone: get the line in for the turntable and power a set on existing in-ceiling surrounds speakers.  Guess the surrounds will have to be put into its own room and not act as surrounds so the turntable will always work…

I have both the Arc and Amp hard wired to Ethernet, I just can't wrap my head as to why this can't be a software switch.   Thousands invested, and the solution here is to buy another product?  

SONOS, there's got to be at least a script that can unbond/bond the rear surrounds as needed.