I completely understand the problem to add DTS re-coding to the current Playbar due to the fact
of introducing audio delay. And since the Sonos Playbar is only
responsible for audio, this delay can't be added for video as well.
Therefore, I would like Sonos to make a Sonos Playbar 2 or Sonos PlaybarHDMI which takes care about audio and video. DTS and other sound formats could be easily re-coded into a supported audio format and the audio/video sync could be kept.
But it could also address other improvement possibilities:
- Display "Volume" onscreen
- Support IR remote controls (and others as well) to adjust night mode and speech enhancement
- Multiple HDMI inputs / HDMI switch
- Display currently played music (while not in TV mode)
- Possibility to steer music with basic controls via IR (Play/Pause, Next track, Previous track, radio stations)
- Possibility to add two front channels (Playbar + 4x Play:1 + Sub)
- Possibility to increase width of Playbar to fit it to the size of the TV
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- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
I agree with Dave - all this should have been included in the first place at no (or little) extra cost.
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
No I haven't listened to one, they are only stocked in specialist stores (Richer Sounds etc) I wouldn't mind taking a look, plus this company is in my home town Cambridge. I'm happy with my sonos but if I was in the market for just a sound bar then this would be a very attractive alternative to the current PlayBar - plus I have a 4K TV with HDMI Arc so would cover all my audio output needs. I've only had my PlayBar about 10 months but would happily buy a PlayBar 2 if sonos Incorporated all the features of the Solo Bar.
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
Thought that might get your juices flowing, it's a very tempting system. The Solo Bar is at a very competitive price point and no doubt they are aware of the competitions limitations when it comes to connectivity to TV's. On this one I'm with you guys and sonos need to wake up and smell the coffee beans before they are left behind and have declining sales of their PlayBar.
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
Sonos really needs to get on top of this ASAP.
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
While waiting for Sonos to come up with a good solution, I bought a cheaper soundbar that plays the necessary formats. I am impressed by the quality of the sound.
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
Can you share what soundbar you brought?
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
The Denon DHT-S514. I must say the music sounds a lot better due to the subwoofer. You can hear that the Play:1 lacks low. The stereo of the two paired Play:1's is better but compared to the Denon they sound rather 'thin'. Sonos provides better integration with Spotify since the Denon only supports Bluetooth.
I do not have the Sonos Sub, but that's another $700 and unfair to compare.
The perfect system still does not exist....
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
I haven't seen that, will have to take a look. Have you looked at the Arcam Solo Bar http://www.arcam.co.uk/range/solo/solobar.htm
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
As you imply when saying "The perfect system still does not exist", every system will have its strengths and weaknesses whether it be in sound, services or just general connectivity and stability. Which, unfortunately, is the way it is 😞
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
Not criticising but it's reviews aren't that great from what I can find. http://www.techhive.com/article/2884878/denon-dht-s514-sound-bar-review-a-disappointing-effort-from-a-noted-speaker-manufacturer.html
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
I been listening to the Denon and wasn't very impressed. I looked also in the Harman Kardon as i used their equipment for years (at home and for car stereo) but didn't flood my boat either.
The Libratone however was a home run (and suites the needs of my family better with inbuilt BT, AirPlay and DLNA support). The overall audio and the inbuilt sub creates a very clean and full sound experience.
http://www.libratone.com/home/products/diva/#video
Needless to say i bought one a few month ago.
Just an update on the Arcam Solo Bar, I emailed them regarding their plans to go mainstream with the Solo Bar and if they intended to enter the multi room market. Here is the reply. "We only ever sell through speacialist hi-fi stores through our existing dealer network. We have no plans at all to try to produce a system similar to Sonos they are very good at it (apart from sound quality) and there is no way we could compete in that area."
- HDMI Input
- Analog Input
- Optical Out
- DAC with 24bit support
- ROM to store on-demand licensing (AirPlay encryption key/license, DTS, etc)
- 2 port Gigabit Switch
At the same time, there are plenty solutions out there to accommodate to that, called AVR or Pre/Pro Amps. The key stipulation would be a TOSLINK output to connect the Playbar directly and all the above would be taken care of (except OSD function). Most AVR manufactures offer Bluetooth and AirPlay modules (inbuilt or as accessory).
If we take Sonos:AMP as reference point a new component would likely range above the price of the Playbar.
Guess the question is if Sonos customer would be 'cool' with an additional $700+ device?
Thoughts?
I have read other reviews that state the opposite of the techhive review. Just remember reviews are always subjective and represent the opinion of the reviewer. For me the Denon just does what it should do: improve the sound of my television. I did not buy it to play music but it does play music unexpectedly well. I was hoping of integrating the playing of music by Sonos and improving the sound of my television by Sonos. At this moment such a solution is not available due to different limitations which are important to me.
What I did learn was that the 'Sonos sound' is not that special and can be achieved by other (cheaper) equipment. I learned that by directly comparing the sound, playing the same music. The Sonos system does provide me an unparalleled convenience of use. The Denon looses hands down on that.
Looky looky - http://usa.denon.com/us/sneakpreview Heos Home theater
I am certain that Denon will throw in an HDMI which opens the door for 7.1, DTS, and the denon sound bars (non-Heos) have pretty good reviews on amazon.
I can't wait.
SONOS! Seriously, get on it, Heos jsut neutralized what you have built (hardware) in the last decde in a matter of a year. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE respond with some hardware updates, otherwise the Heos sound bar will really start shaking things up. I mean, full home spotify connect + HDMI input for simplified TV audio????
I am certain that Denon will throw in an HDMI which opens the door for 7.1, DTS, and the denon sound bars (non-Heos) have pretty good reviews on amazon.
I can't wait.
SONOS! Seriously, get on it, Heos jsut neutralized what you have built (hardware) in the last decde in a matter of a year. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE respond with some hardware updates, otherwise the Heos sound bar will really start shaking things up. I mean, full home spotify connect + HDMI input for simplified TV audio????
I am certain that Denon will throw in an HDMI which opens the door for 7.1, DTS, and the denon sound bars (non-Heos) have pretty good reviews on amazon.
I can't wait.
SONOS! Seriously, get on it, Heos jsut neutralized what you have built (hardware) in the last decde in a matter of a year. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE respond with some hardware updates, otherwise the Heos sound bar will really start shaking things up. I mean, full home spotify connect + HDMI input for simplified TV audio????
I am NOT affiliated to Heos/denon in any way. I was even a Sonos beta tester when they were rolling out 5.2, great software but the hardware is so lacking. Switched to Heos 5 months ago and keep looking for Sonos to respond.
Nothing like jamming my B&W towers with a simple "play" of a song (auto power-on amp) and now I get to add my Family room/TV room!!!
Will - thanks for the link - I saw that a few days ago. Looks like they will at the same time launch a Heos 1 which is also portable (battery powered) which is something Sonos users have also been asking for. Its not clear yet if the Heos 1 can be used as rear channels in a 5.1 setup but I would expect so.
I also see that Panasonic have extended their range of multi-room equipment with sound bar, sound base, subs and new smaller device, ALL2, which can also act as the rears in a wireless 5.1 setup. The 'SC-ALL70T' soundbar features HDMI in/out, ARC, DTS decoding and is 4k compatible. The SC-ALL2 (can be used for the rears or made into stereo pair) also features a screen so can instead be used as a bedside clock (with a snooze option - woohoo!). All panasonic devices use Qualcomm AllPlay for multi-room and music service subscriptions including Spotify Connect.
Likewise, I have no affiliation with either or these companies - just adding fuel to the fire in the hope Sonos to expand their range and feature set to keep up.
I also see that Panasonic have extended their range of multi-room equipment with sound bar, sound base, subs and new smaller device, ALL2, which can also act as the rears in a wireless 5.1 setup. The 'SC-ALL70T' soundbar features HDMI in/out, ARC, DTS decoding and is 4k compatible. The SC-ALL2 (can be used for the rears or made into stereo pair) also features a screen so can instead be used as a bedside clock (with a snooze option - woohoo!). All panasonic devices use Qualcomm AllPlay for multi-room and music service subscriptions including Spotify Connect.
Likewise, I have no affiliation with either or these companies - just adding fuel to the fire in the hope Sonos to expand their range and feature set to keep up.
the first DTS feature requests I could find are more than 4 years old and there is still no solution.
If I read all this I think I'll cancel my Sonos playbar and sub order and go for the Bluesound Pulse playbar and pulse sub.
If I read all this I think I'll cancel my Sonos playbar and sub order and go for the Bluesound Pulse playbar and pulse sub.
You do that if dts is really that important.
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